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Is Jesus God?

You are filling out a job application and it asks you for three references. Whose names would you put down on that application that you trusted would properly give you a good report? Persons who know you the best.

It seems that people struggle and debate over the issue of who Jesus is.

Did you know that back in 325 AD, at the Council of Nicaea, Bishops holding various religious beliefs debated this very same issue as well as other matters of doctrine.

Keep in mind that no official Bible had existed at that time. These debates were so intense that they were beginning to lead to civil unrest among the various church groups who did not see eye to eye on doctrinal issues.

The deity of Christ was one of those issues hotly debated back then. It took a politician, Emperor Constantine, to step in between the opposing religious Bishops to stop the conflicts and squabbling. It was a politician – Emperor Constantine – who told the Bishops "This is how it is going to be." 

How was it going to be?

That Jesus is God. That the Father is God. That the Holy Spirit is God. This came to be known as the Nicene Creed (also known as the Athanasian Creed). This is the document from which the Trinity teaching sprang.

It was dictated into existence by a politician, people !!! 

Emperor Constantine was not a follower of Christ and neither did he care about Christians. He just wanted the squabbling between the opposing Bishops to stop. His solution was a doctrine that all would be happy with and would comprise on. See my article, "Is The Bible The Word of God."

Now, one must ask themselves, "Was what Emperor Constantine dictate, in harmony with Scripture?"

Who Would Give Jesus a Good Reference?

If someone wants to know who Jesus is, why turn to the Church-system in existence today who still squabble over the issue just like there predecessors did over 1680 years ago. You ask those who knew him the best.

What did Jesus' disciples say of him? When Jesus asked his disciples who do they say he is, how did they answer?

He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. (Matthew 16:15-16)

So we see here that Jesus' closest companions while he was on earth, correctly identified him as The Son of God.

And what did Jesus say to Peter after that?

And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

If any person answers in a way contrary to what is said of Jesus at Matthew 16:13-17, it comes from another source because Jesus said that what was revealed concerning him came from his Father in heaven.

What about the person who sent His only begotten Son? What does He say of Jesus?

Well, at Jesus' baptism, and when he came up out of the water, what did a voice out of heaven say?

And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. (Matthew 3:17)

What about the transfiguration at Luke 9:35, what did God say concerning Jesus?

And there came a voice out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him.

So we have two instances – and there are more – where the Most High God calls His Son – His Son.

Even Satan – who knows the truth – correctly identified Jesus.

At Jesus' temptation at Matthew 4:3:

And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.

And again at Matthew 4:6:

And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.

So what is the problem with those who believe that Jesus is God?

They have unwittingly engaged themselves in a debate stemming back some 1380 years ago. The men back then feared and Emperor more than God and listened to an Emperor. They did not listen to God, and the Church today isn't listening. They are simply making a lot of noise and fighting against God.

If God says Jesus is His Son, the Church opposes what God says and says that Jesus is God. They are saying "God, Jesus is you."

Can God Be Seen With The Human Eye

I ask this question because it serves as a platform and teaching point that helps us to further identify from Scripture who Jesus is.

According to John 1:18, no man has ever seen God.

No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

According to Exodus 33:20, no one can see God's face. To see it would mean death:

And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.

According to 1 John 4:12, no man has seen God:

No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.

According to Colossians 1:15, God is invisible:

Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature.

Now, given these Scriptures what can we say about Jesus that does not fit them? That people saw Jesus. Therefore, in harmony with what the disciples said of him, what Jesus' Father in heaven said of him, and even with what Satan says of him: Jesus is not God.

Does God Have An Equal?

According to the Trinity teaching, Jesus is God. If this were true, then he would be equal in ability to the other two God's: The Father and the Holy Spirit. What does Jesus himself say about this?

Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

So God has no equal to him. The Father is greater.

Is Anyone Above Jesus?

Listen to what the Apostle Paul says in this regard at 1 Corinthians 11:3:

But I want YOU to know that the head of every man is the Christ; in turn the head of a woman is the man; in turn the head of the Christ is God.

So Jesus has someone who is over even him.

Does Jesus Know Everything?

Well, if he is God you would think so. What do Scriptures – not the Church or religious organization – say about this?

At Matthew 24:36 and at Mark 13:32, Jesus said concerning time when his sign will be seen in heaven (His Coming) and the gathering of God's Chosen Ones would occur, that he did not know. That that information is known only by the Father in heaven. Quoting Mark 13:32, notice what Jesus says:

But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.

At Acts 1:6-7, Jesus said knowledge of times and seasons was only in the power or jurisdiction of the Father only.

When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel? And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.

What About John 1:1? Does It Say That Jesus Is God?

Decades before The Apostle John, there was a Greek Philospher by the name of Philo. In his philosophy he wrote this formula: "In the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God."

It must be understood that the texts and manuscripts of the Bible from Matthew to Revelation are written in Greek. In John 1:1, there are two instances of God:

1. In the beginning was the word and the word was with God …

2. And the word was God.

What was the Greek word for the first instance of God in John 1:1? The Greek word is "Ho Theos." Theos means God and Ho Theos means "The God."

According to the system of the Western nations, when there is a proper noun, they start with a capital, such as God. A common noun would have a small "g" such as god.

In Hebrew and in Greek, there is no such thing as capital letters and there is no such thing as small letters. The same holds true for the Arabic language, by the way.

The second instance of "god" in John 1:1 "And the word was God," is Ton Theos. Thon Theos in Greek means "a god." "A god" would have a small "g" according to the Western system.

So in John 1:1, why do the popular Bible translations place a captial "G" again in that second instance of "god?"

Is this not cheating and deceptive? 

The first instance of God in John 1:1 is fine. It is correct and acceptable. However, the second instance of "god" in John 1:1 should not be a captital "G" but a small "g."

The proper and correct translation of John 1:1 should be:

In the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word a god.

"A god" means someone who was godly. Such was Jesus.

The Devil called "Ho Theos" or The God

In the second book of Corinthians, verse 4:4, we see the same Greek word "Ho Theos" used with regard Satan the Devil.

The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel that displays the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.

Him being "The god" of this age. But translators deviated and placed a small "g" in that Scripture. Why would translators not stay consistent in their translation? If Ho Theos is translated in the first instance of John 1:1 as "The God," it should be the same with regard what is said of the Devil at 2 Corinthians 4:4. But no, the early translators cheated and translated Ho Theos at 2 Corinthians 4:4 as "a god."

This shows that the Scriptures where losely translated and translated as one saw fit. Sadly, many today look the other way and go along with this deception because they want to make Jesus "Ho Theos" or [The] God. Their translations were not honest and today millions believe Jesus is God based on a dishonest foundation in the translation of Scripture.

Only One Is Good

I have challenged many who believe Jesus is God to produce a single Scripture where Jesus himself said he was God and to worship Him.

Not one person has been able to produce a single Scripture. I am willing to have my neck placed on a guillitine and have it removed if one can produce a Scripture where Jesus said "I am God and worship me."

Notice an exchange Jesus is having with a man at Matthew 19:16-17:

And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

Jesus refuses that he himself should even be called good! So how would he ask you and I to call him God?

With regard the quality of goodness, a man or a woman might say to one another, "Good man or good woman." And, in humility a man or a woman might say, "No I am not such a good man or woman because I have done and still do many bad things and have a lot of shortcomings."

Yet, if Jesus is God, it would be hypocrisy on those believing such because Jesus refused to be called good. God alone is good! And Jesus should such humility before his Father (and also men) that there is only One who is good.

So in Jesus' own words, he is disclaiming any type of divinity and that he is God.

Can God Be Tempted?

Jesus was tempted. You all know the account at Matthew 4:1-7.

Notice what the Apostle Paul says concerning Jesus' temptation:

For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

Jesus had the same weakness that you dear reader and I have. How can God have weakness to be tempted by anyone?

Yet, James 1:13 says that God cannot be tempted. That Scripture says:

Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man.

Jesus was tempted was he not? Then how can he be God?

Scripture shows that Satan spent 40 days in the wilderness with Jesus tempting him. What is God (If Jesus is God) doing with Satan for 40 days? Now one must think. That God could be tempted by anyone! Is this a quality of God. God is God! He is Almighty.

Not to mention that Jesus felt hungry after the 40 days. Does God get hungry?

Keeping it Real (Scripturally)

For those of you who cling stubbornly to the idea that Jesus is God are simply perpetuating a 1680 year old debate. And, you are not listening to the voice of your Lord and Master or even your God and his God in heaven.

Additionally, you have a responsibility to teach Scripture clearly – not add to it or confuse it.

I tell you, when persons I meet on a daily basis who believe that Jesus is God, they presume I know nothing. They never ask me what I think about Jesus. They almost always proceed to tell me who they say he is because their Pastor told them so or it is a Church doctrine that cleverly assumes itself a teaching of Christ. Their loyalty and discipleship is really to their respective organizations not to Christ. They rarely say "God's says" or "Jesus says." They place what men say – who claim some special knowledge – before what God and Christ say. Especially when you hear them utter phrases such as "My Church teaches" or "My Pastor says." What does God say? What does Christ say?

I am quietly letting them explain their rationale behind their belief that Jesus is God before I show them the Scriptures presented in this article.

What I find the most interesting in almost all of them, is that they bypass the Scriptures I present in this article. Furthermore, when I get an opportunity to explain to them from Scripture what you are reading now – an getting an opportunity to get a word in is a challenge –  many of them get down right hostile. Many of them act as if the Scriptures I showed them are not supposed to be there.

I understand what has happened to them because it happened to me many years ago. I too, used to believe that Jesus is God.

The Scriptures I present here hurt. They sting and upset the comfort zone. That is because they are truthful and go against the 1680 year old squabble and Nicene Creed.

Those who cling to the Trinity teaching must consider that they are going to encounter persons out there – like myself – who have been where they are now and who will present these Scriptures to them and press them hard to explain to why they are saying Jesus is God.

They may give the cop out and canned response, "You are taking Scripture out of context?"

But these Scriptures speak for themselves. There is no taking or lifting out of context. There is only the refusal of those who believe that Jesus is God to see that they have been in error.

OK. You were in error.

Get over it and accept what is written in Scripture about Jesus in it. Be thankful that you received a valuable gift from God: The Truth about His Son.

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one who fears God June 22, 2012 at 8:44 pm

The Word of God rules on this. Many people ask this type of question to deceptively get Christians to say “Jesus is not God”. And this is true to a certain extent, as in, Jesus is not God, the Father. But is He God. Let’s see what the Word says:.

“Behold, I am coming quickly! Hold fast what you have, that no one may take your crown. He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he shall go out no more. I will write on him the name of My God and the name of the city of My God, the New Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from My God. And I will write on him My new name (Revelation 3:11-12).” So Jesus is my God.

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R. Jerome Harris June 23, 2012 at 1:19 am

Here is another of many examples I see of persons basically saying that all of the other Scriptures referencing Jesus is NOT God, but the Son of God are not true. In fact, they never address these other Scriptures and avoid them like the plague because they are uncomfortable for them to read. That is the effect truth has. Instead, they quote a Scripture – such as this one in Revelation 3:11-12 – where four times – Jesus references God as “his God.” So Jesus’ God is our God, not Jesus is our God.

At his death and with his last breath at Mark 15:34, did Jesus not call out to “his God” by saying “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”

At John 20:17 did not Jesus say: “Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’”

At Matthew 3:17 and Luke 9:35 does not Jesus’ God – The Most High God – say that Jesus is His Son?

I am amazed at how religious organization has such a tight hold over people that they prefer to listen to them rather than to Jesus and to God – who is Jesus’s God.

This mentality of “preference of what religious organization says over what God and Christ says” is disturbing as it says that what God and Christ say on the subject is a lie. This the spirit of antichist as it goes against what Gdo and Christ as said.

Jesus says that “he” himself has a God; and, that that God is is our God too. Yet, men say, “No, Jesus is my God.”

I obey my Master Jesus and stick to what he says and will direct others to listen to him as well. (Luke 9:35)

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R. Jerome Harris December 18, 2012 at 4:47 pm

Read your own comment. YOU say “The Word of God” rules on this. I AGREE with YOU. What does THE WORD OF GOD say on this matter.

Wait !!! Before you answer, let me show you were YOU err. You are implying that A BOOK is The Word of God. Why are you making such a presumptuous implication?

The Most High God did not send into the world a book, He sent his Son and He directs us at Luke 9:35 to listen to him. Why? Because God chose him and approved and authorized him. (It was men who authorized a book and made it something it is not)

Further, John 1:1 says that he (Jesus) was The Word who was “WITH” God in the beginning.

Revelation 19:13 clearly identifies Jesus as The Word of God. (Not a book men gave a name “The Bible” to)

So, I agree with YOU, The Word of God rules on this. And, The Word of God – Jesus [the] Christ asks his disciples a question at Matthew 16:15: “Who do you say I am.”

Did they (specifically Peter) answer, God?

No he did not!

Peter answered the Master correctly by saying, “You are the Son of the living God.” (Matthew 16:16)

Jesus let them know that the response was the correct on at Matthew 16:17 where he said:

“Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven.”

So it makes me wonder from what source those of you who believe Jesus to be God comes from. It is certainly not from the Father in heaven because you believe and answer differently.

If it was NOT flesh and blood that revealed that truth (that Jesus is the Son of God), then it was God’s Holy Spirit that did.

If you believe that Jesus is God, then it is not God’s Holy Spirit that is telling you that. It is either a “flesh and blood” source (human) or demonic.

Repeating to yourself that Jesus is YOUR God does not make it true.

You people are “anti” and “opposing” who God, Christ and the disciples state Jesus is.

And, that you FIRST state that “The Bible” is The Word of God and place it before what Christ – who IS The Word of God – show that you are not listening to the Christ.

The Most High God says that Jesus is His Son (Luke 9:35 and Matthew 3:17) and you people defiantly and arrogantly say to God, “No he isn’t. He is God.”

How fresh is that !!!

Answer the question people at Matthew 16:15?

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Scott December 17, 2012 at 3:21 pm

So what do we do with Colossians 2:8,9 “See to it that no one makes a prey of you by philosophy and empty deceit, according to human tradition, according to the elemental spirits of the universe, and not according to Christ. For in Him the whole fulness of deity dwells bodily, and you have come to fulness of life in him, who is the head of all rule and authority.”

Philippians 2:6 outlines the position Jesus took so that he could be fully man and fully God to be able to be our sacrifice. “who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied himself, taking the form of a servant, being born in human form he humbled himself and became obedient unto death, even death on a cross.”

Consider Relevation 1:17 “When I saw hm, I fell at his feet as though dead. But he laid his right had upon me, saying, “Fear not, I am the first and the last, and the living one; i died and behold I am alive for evermore, and I have the keys of Death and Hades.” Pretty sure this is Jesus talking. The “first and last” sounds alot like verse 8 which says ” ‘I am the Alpha and the Omega,’ says the Lord God, who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.” Sounds like God to me.

As far as Jesus’ temptation that was the man that was tempted. He was fully man and fully God but he laid the God part aside for a time (see Philippians 2:6) to experience what we experience to be a true high priest. That’s why he did not have a natural biological father or else he would have a sin nature that would not have qualified him to sacrifice on the cross for the worlds sins. But Jesus could see the Fathers face and be in His presence because sin was not clinging to him that would have gotten obliterated along with himself in the glory of the Father. Any reference to people not being able to be in God’s presence in scripture meant all of sin fallen mankind. Jesus was without sin, without spot or wrinkle or blemish. A perfect sacrifice. He could not have been that without being conceived of the Holy Spirit. How awesome is that?

The Trinity of Father, Son, Holy Spirit agrees with the way God created man in “our image, after our likeness”. Gen. 1:26 We are triune beings – body, soul, spirit. Jesus became the “body” part as we now are called “the body of Christ” (see Eph 1:23).

From reading some of your stuff you seem to have an issue with the authority of scripture and submitting to it fully and in context. Not meant as an attack just as a discernment.
I pray Eph. 1:16-23 over you.

Blessings

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R. Jerome Harris December 17, 2012 at 3:58 pm

We do we do with Colossians 2:8,9? Not make it “appear” to say that Jesus is God. And, NOT IGNORE the many other Scriptures spoken by God and Christ themselves (and others) identifying Jesus as “The Son of God.”

With regards Philippians 2:6. That Scripture even says he did not consider himself “equal” to God. He even died. God cannot die.

With regards Rev 1:17. Again, this shows that Jesus died. God cannot die. He is eternal.

I know many of you who believe Jesus is God are sincere; but you are not defending Christs teachings, you defend the agenda of a “religious system” called by men “Christianity.”

You ignore the many many Scriptures where God Himself tells us who His Son is. (Luke 9:35)

You ignore the question Jesus asked his closest companions at Matthew 16:15 and the answer given at Matthew 16:16. You NEVER imagine Jesus aksing YOU that same question. If he did, you would not answer as Peter did.

You ignore the Apostle Johns statement at John 20:31 concerning WHY he wrote all that he did: “That YOU may believe that Jesus is the Christ the Son of God, and that, because of believing, YOU may have life by means of his name.”

You ignore John 1:18 were we are told no man has ever seen God. Yet, men have seen Jesus.

You have very little interest in championing the truth of Christ teachings. You push an evil agenda of the Trinity – a man made doctrine – and make Jesus something he never said he was.

Jesus even called his God our God.

Those of you who make him God, dishonor the only One True God to His face and you do it blatantly and defiantly.

You do not follow the humble course of the Christ who did the will of his Father.

You do not know the one you claim is your Lord and Master. If you did, you would know who he is just as Peter and the other Apostles did at Matthew 16:15-17.

You oppose Christ (anti). He NEVER said he was God. God never said Jesus was God. He said that he is His Son. His Apostles never said he was God. They knew him as The Son of God. Even the devil and demons knew him as the Son of God. He was brought to trial NOT because he was claiming to be God, but because he claimed to be The Son of God.

I will champion Christs teachings and expose the lies, misleadings, and deceptions those of European descent have infected the world with. You present a counterfiet teaching that is not of God and Christ. You deify a religious system.

You oppose and dishonor God and His Messiah (Christ)

You refuse to obey God and listen as he told you to at Luke 9:35.

A simple question should settle who Jesus is. But many of you Trinitarians “cloud” the issue because you do not want the truth about The Christ known. The question is one Jesus “himself” asked his disciples.

All any of you have to do is put yourself in that scene and Jesus ask YOU that same question:

“Who do you say I am?”

YOU say he is God.

I say you blashpheme and answered incorrectly. You do not answer correctly as one of his disciples did.

You have created a deity and gave him the same name as Jesus. You stand up this deity next to the only ONE True God and call it God.

It is a false god and a false Christ. Jesus said this would happen.

You do not know Christ.

And, you do not speak truthfully. You do attack. That what YOU trinitarians do to those who question, challenge, expose and call you out.

You hate Christ and his teachings and you love another master and you embrace the teachings of that “other” master as those teachings certainly do not come from Christ.

Your agenda is an evil one in that you have to first place a foul stench on the persons who call you out. That in itself shows that you are not disciples or “taught ones” of the Christ.

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Scott December 18, 2012 at 4:01 pm

My agenda is far from evil. I have made no accusations but you are operating now from your response as an accuser of the bretheren. I seek to honor the One True God. It is written, “But of the Son he says, “Thy throne , O God, is for ever and ever, the righteous scepter is the scepter of thy kingdom. Thou hast loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; therefore God, thy God, has anointed thee with the oil of gladness beyond thy comrades.” Hebrews 1:8,9. Here God refers to the Son as God. Just because you can’t wrap your head around the understanding of God being three persons in One does not make it not so. Jesus had a particular role to fill as Saviour and it required him to empty himself of his “Godness” for lack of a better term so that he had legal position to come and carry our sins to the cross. satan is a legalist and had God come down strictly as God the Father to save the human race then satan would have hollered “Objection! Your own word says that blood has to be the payment for sin. You have come down as Spirit only thus you have no blood to shed.” or something to that effect. And God being bound by his word for which it is impossible for him to lie (Heb.:18) would have to agree that legal redemption could only happen through flesh and blood, yet pure and spotless as conceived by the Holy Spirit.

Yes he was the Christ or the Anointed One as Peter correctly answered, the one who had God all over him to enable him to do what the flesh on its own could not. This is also the way God expects us to operate today by the way as carriers of His Holy Spirit but we have allowed religion to dilute the power that we should be walking in as Christians or “little Christs (anointed ones)” or “ones like the Christ”. That’s why he left earth to send the Spirit to dwell in us as it did him to perpetuate his power through faith on the earth. That’s what he meant by “greater works than these” John 14:12.

More scriptual evidence of Jesus acknowledging oneness with the Father. He says in John 14:7, “if you had known me, you would have known my Father also; henceforth you know him and have seen him.” Then Philip asks Jesus to “show us the Father” and Jesus responds, “Have I been with you so long, and yet you do not know me, Philip? He who has seen me has seen the Father; how can you say ‘Show us the Father’? Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father in me?” This seems pretty plain to me. In John 5:18 it says “This was why the Jews sought all the more to kill him, because he not only broke the sabbath but also called God his Father, making himself equal with God.” Jesus did not refute this only explained it so they could understand his position as Saviour. Jesus also said to the Pharisees “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abaham was, I am.” Of course that is who God told Moses to tell Israel who He was when Moses would be asked who sent him. God told him “Say this to the people of Israel ‘I Am has sent me to you’.” Gen. 3:14.

It is true that God cannot die, thus Jesus lives forever more praise God! He had power to lay his life down and pick it up again. John 10:17-18 No one but God has power to lay down his life and take it back up again. He and the Father are One.

You go back and forth quoting scripture for your purpose then rejecting the authority of the Bible with statements like “It is not through anyone or anything else that such things can come, not even a book called The Bible. No book in existence today can contain the vast knowledge of God.” Or “Instead, the world has been duped into relying upon a book that men stood up and gave the name Bible to as that means. This book has been given a status and title that does not belong to it: The Word of God. There is only one Word of God and it is not a book, but a person: The Son of God.” That sounds double minded my friend. (see James 1:7,8) I continue to pray for you.

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R. Jerome Harris December 18, 2012 at 4:29 pm

Sir. Number 1, this is my blog. I do not write to serve you or a religious system. I champion Christs teachings and do so boldly. Your agenda is to push the ungodly teaching of the Trinity. There is no way I would ever subscribe to this man-made teaching as it is something my Master NEVER taught. I am always amazed how many of you want persons to believe something The Son of God never taught. Make one wonder who YOU are really listening to.

Secondly, I DO NOT view a book – The Bible – as the authority. That is where many like you err. The Bible is a name men gave this book. It was made holy by men. It is called “The Word of God” by men. I view Christ – the one God sent – as THE AUTHORITY, not a book. I view him as THE WORD OF GOD and it is to HIM that I listen to as directed by The Most High God. (Rev 19:13 and Luke 9:35)

As I stated, the agenda you are involved in is evil because you evade the simple question Jesus asked his disciples at Matthew 16:15. Your answer to that question settles the matter as to who Jesus is.

You do not answer as Peter did. (Matthew 16:16)

Yet, many of you push forward arrogantly opposing the truth.

It is simple, either Jesus is God or he is who he says he is, who his Father in heaven says he is, and who he taught his disciples who he is.

You answer opposite of God, Christ and his disciples.

You waste your time thinking I will listen to YOU and accept an evil antichrist teaching about my Master being God. I obey God and listen to my Master. (Luke 9:35)

I do not view persons such as yourself as disciples of Christ. If you were one of his disciples, you would know who he is just based on the question he asked at Matthew 16:15. You oppose him.

It is your choice if you choose to take a defiant posture to that one simple question.

I never censure anyone’s posts as I want others to read them and see this evil agenda by the religious system called Christianity.

It is the foretold impostor Jesus said would come “on the basis of his name” saying that he “is the Christ” but would deceive many. (Matthew 24:4-5)

BTW, what you view as “double-minded” is concocted by you. YOU presume that I believe the Bible is The Word of God. There is only ONE Word of God: Jesus [the] Christ.

Please DO NOT pray for me. I am doing just fine. I don’t need you to pray for me. I pray to my God through the only way possible and that is through my Master Christ Jesus. I don’t need you to do that for me. You people cannot be that arrogant and controlling as to presume to pray for others because they do not believe as YOU do.

Unlike you, I answer Matthew 16:15 as Peter did. Jesus is THE SON OF THE LIVING GOD.

You people never cease to amaze me. You are going to pray for me? How presumptuous and blind.

Pray for yourself that God unplug your ears and open your eyes so as to listen to His Son.

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White Dove February 14, 2017 at 10:55 pm

The Blogger is a JW.  Don’t let him or his cult come knocking! 

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R. Jerome Harris March 15, 2017 at 1:09 pm

Wow! I guess you got me penned LOL. Listen readers, this is one of the reasons why I write as I do: Because persons like this prefer to dwell in narrow-mindedness. This is what the religious system of Christianity teaches. Rather than focus on the content, they attack the person. If Jesus would ask them: “Who do you say I am?” They would answer him incorrectly. Jesus said many claiming to know him would not. (Matt 16:13-17 and Matt 7:21-23)

 

 

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Jimi January 26, 2013 at 8:39 am

If you were to quarry a boulder of rock from a huge mountain, you might say the boulder has an origin at the point of separation, but because the substance is the same as the mountain, radio-dating (if at all reliable) would reveal the rock and mountain to be same substance, and same age, but since the rock came from the mountain, the mountain is greater.
Yahushua the Messiah is essentially the fleshly form of the Creator Yahu (also referred to as the Malak of Yahuwah’s presence), who was seen by Adam in the garden of Eden, by Abraham who came near Him to advocate for Sodom; He was the anthropomorphic form seen by Moshe, Aaron, Nadab, Abihu and the seventy elders of Yisrael on Mt Sinai (Ex 24: 9-12); He was who called to Samuel the nabi and “…came and stood and called as at other times” 1Sam 3:10
For the purpose of the suffering and tasting death for His brethren, He divested Himself of the esteem and immortality that He had shared, before the world was founded, with Abba Yahuwah, the unseen Ruwach and Abba of all, leaving it behind and putting His whole trust in Him who sent Him “… and His Ruwach” Isaiah 48:16 (pls obtain a version of Scriptures where the true Names have been restored e.g HalleluYah Scriptures).
Yohanan (John) 5:23, “That all should esteem the Son EVEN AS THEY ESTEEM THE ABBA”. He that does not know Yahushua as Elohim, echad (one) with the Abba falls short of this injunction.

Shalom Shabbath

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Joel January 29, 2013 at 8:08 pm

John 10:25-38

Does this contradict itself? I think not.

Clearly Christ is saying that His Father is greater than He is, He was sent by His Father and that He does His Father’s works.

Is he saying in verse 30 then that they are the same person? If so he contradicts Himself. People, listen to His voice. He is not His Father, neither is He His equal. Fulfilling His Father’s will is His purpose, a choice made by a loyal Son. Indeed, in this context they are One.

Not meaning to prolong the debate, I will not add anything further.

I will say this, give yourselves unto the Will of The Father. It is His desire that we find truth in His Son, Jesus Christ and him ALONE!

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R. Jerome Harris January 30, 2013 at 3:11 am

Thank you for the supporting words of the Master Jesus [the] Christ verifying his identity as The Son of God – not God.

It is most interesting that The Master says that anyone believing otherwise are not his sheep. (John 10:26)

This is most telling as there are millions upon millions who believe Jesus [the] Chris is God; yet, Jesus says they are not his sheep and do not “listen” to his voice. (John 10:27)

If they had listened to his voice (teachings), they would know that he is The Son of God and all that he did was done by the permission, authority and power that his Father in heaven gave him.

This very same Apostle John cements it at John 20:31:

“But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.”

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George May 27, 2013 at 1:37 pm

Matthew 22:32

John 8:58

John 10:30

John 20:28

 

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R. Jerome Harris May 29, 2013 at 3:52 am

Good try, but no. At Matthew 22:32 Jesus is quoting Exodus 3:2. He is NOT saying this about himself but about his Father in heaven.

John 8:58 is not an acknowledgment by Jesus that he is God. It is an acknowledgment that he was in existence from the beginning with his Father in heaven.(John 1:1) He existed in heaven with his father long before there was a man (Abraham in this example). Since when does God, "Come into existence?" God has no beginning and has no ending. He is eternal. The Son of God had a beginning. In other words, he was created. (Col 1:15 and Rev 3:14). Even the angels in heaven were in existence before Abraham. That does not make them God, does it.

John 10:30 is not an acknowledgment that Jesus is God. A husband and wife are considered one. But that does not make the wife the husband or head or the husband the wife does it. Christ and his Father are one in purpose as we should be with regard the Father in doing his will.

The Apostle Paul at 1 Cor 11:3 shows that Christ has a HEAD over him: God.

"But I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God."

John 20:28 is not an acknowledgment by Thomas that Jesus is God. It is an acknowledgment by Thomas of TWO people: One, that Jesus is Lord and that (2) the Father who resurrected him is God. Thomas would have known this because Jesus would have taught him this.

The Apostle John at John 20:31 (a few Scriptures away from John 20:28) says that all that he wrote was for the purpose that persons might believe that Jesus is – NOT GOT – but the Messiah, SON OF GOD.

"But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name."

John 1:18 states that no man has ever seen God. Yet, men have seen Jesus.

Jesus says that the Father is greater than he is at John 14:28. So how can Jesus be God? Are you calling Jesus a liar?

Jesus asked his closest companions the question at Matthew 16:15, "Who do you say I am?" Peter answers correctly at Matthew 16:16, "The Christ, the Son of the living God." (Peter did not say God). So why are you answering differently?

In my experience, those who misapply these Scriptures (and IGNORE the obvious ones) do so because THEY want Jesus to be someone who he never claimed to be. They want him to be God. This is blasphemy and an insult to the one who sent him.

They also do this because they want to push the agenda and teachings of the religious organizations they are loyal to.

Do you really think people are so unintelligent that they will not present these other obvious Scriptures to you? Why do you ignore them? They are there staring right back at you. You ignore them because you have no answer.

How can you say Jesus is God after reading Jesus' question to his disciples as to who he is at Matthew 16:15-17?

How can you say Jesus is God after John's statement at John 20:31?

Even the Apostle Paul at 1 Cor 8:6 says there is only one God, The Father and we "for Him." And one Lord, Jesus Christ who we access the Father "through." (See John 14:6)

I like these kinds of comments because I want readers and seekers of the truth about Christ and his teachings to see the extent religious organizations will go to mislead them. It also shows that those who adopt such teachings blatantly disobey God with regards His Son.

God has told us to "Listen to His Son." (Luke 9:35)

Sadly, many are not listening. They listen to religious organizations who are falsely teaching that Jesus is God.

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Lazaros April 6, 2014 at 7:51 am

Hello everyone

I’ve tried to find true Christians who were released totally from “Trinity” and “Immortal soul” but it’s very hard to find those in my country Vietnam. Now I post some important things that I believe with expectation of meeting who have the same beliefs with me:
– Spirit of someone is not merely impersonal active forces/powers. Similar to love, spirit can manifest not only active forces/powers but also personal characteristics (feeling, emotion, sentiment, dignity…). Thus, Holy Spirit is not something seperable from Jehovah but is spirit of Jehovah. Similar to love, this Spirit can affect and dwell in Jesus and many people. When you give your wife your love, she gets the love but you don’t lose it, and it is something inseperable from you. When THE FATHER put his spirit in us, we get the spirit but THE FATHER don’t lose the spirit, and the spirit is inseperable from THE FATHER. If your spirit feel sad, that mean you feel sad or you “feel sad in spirit”. If someone insults your love, it mean he insults you. Similarly, insulting The Holy Spirit means insulting The Most High.
– Whoever is not a flesh is a spirit being. The Most High is a SPIRIT being (Holy Spirit is the manifestation of this SPIRIT being, and Holy Spirit can present everywhere at a time). The Son before becoming flesh was a spirit, and after resurrection he is a spirit too. A living flesh is a spirit in a body and his spirit can’t be seperated from the body; however, when he comes to the Kingdom of God, he is just a spirit being like Jesus and God. I don’t think sinners will be got eternal penalties in Hell, the pelnalties will be restricted and the sinners will be destroyed after suffer the torments.
– When someone become a true Christian, he must be renewed in spirit and put on a “new man” but hasn’t been rebirth yet. The regeneration/rebirth of whom belonging to God just really happens right after the recoming of the Christ.
– Jesus is a god but not THE GOD. Jesus is the unique Son of THE GOD.
– Jesus was called “the unique Son” while The Father also has other sons. It is because only Jesus was begotten directly from The Holy Spirit (the spirit of The Father) very long time before the creation of the universe. The other “sons” were created from material (dust of ground), not begotten directly from the Holy Spirit. Obviously, the life of the Son born from The Holy Spirit is more precious than all the lives of who were created from material. This is why the death of Jesus can pay for all sins of all people.
– When Jesus became a human, he didn’t inherit the gene of Mary from Adam, he was completely a new man (new Adam).
– “Angels of Jehovah” is not Jesus or Jehovah or Jehovah’s manifestion, they are merely “good” angels who usually happened nearby the invisible Jehovah (Genesis 16:7-13; 18-19; 21:17-19; 32:24-31; Exodus 3:2-14; Judges 6:11-24; 13:6-23; IISamuel 24:15-25). Many people confused the voice of the invisible God (nearby the angels) with the voice of the angels, so they thought that Jehovah spoke and acted in the form of the Angels ! In The Future’s Kingdom of God, the position of an angel is much lower than a man. There are nowhere in the bible called angels “Sons of God”, Hebrews 1-2 show the roles of angels, especially Hebrews 1:5.
– The Shabbat today shouldn’t be kept in the old way. We are released from the old laws to serve the new laws in new ways with autonomy. Shabbat today in Jesus is not limited in the seventh day of a week, but an endless time after we believe in the Christ.
– Homosex is not accepted in OT and NT.
If you have sympathy with me, please reply to me via my email:ptochoslazaros@gmail.com

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R. Jerome Harris April 13, 2014 at 2:26 am

It should be NEVER what the OT or NT finds acceptable or unacceptable. It should be NEVER about what “Christianity” or any religious system finds acceptable or unacceptable. THEY should not matter to you.

It should be what YOUR Creator finds acceptable or unacceptable.

You MUST free yourself from an imposition that has been placed upon you. Religious organizations seek power and control over you so that THEY can control you. So THEY and push a BOOK and tell you that IT says what you can and cannot do.

You MUST realize that God did not send a book, he sent His Son and he told us to listen to him. (Luke 9:35)

At John Chapter 8:1-11 we see an example of a woman who was sentenced to death by stoning by the Scribes and Pharisees for the act of adultery.

This could have easily been a stoning for the act of homosexuality. But note the NON-CONDEMNATORY the lesson in this by the Christ.

While the people wanted to stone this woman to death, Jesus showed that all present were hypocrites and were no different from that woman. They too have done things and do things that are deserving of a stoning to death as well.

But notice what Christ says to this woman at John 8:10:

“Jesus straightened up and asked her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?”

The woman says at John 8:11: “No one, sir.”

Jesus then says to her: “Then neither do I condemn you,” Jesus declared. “Go now and leave your life of sin.”

So my point to you here is that NO ONE, NO HUMAN and NO HUMAN can stand in judgment over you. If Christ did not condemn that woman (or that criminal he promised would be with him in paradise), neither will he condemn you.

Unlike Christ, we humans love to place ourselves in judgment over OTHERS as if we are somehow without fault or shortcomings. It is the religious system called by men who teaches this.

Christianity is a hateful, judgmental, intolerant and mentally impaired religious system. It is NOTHING like Christ.

As far as heeding Christs advice to the woman to “Go now and leave your life of sin” that is between YOU and your Creator. That is why “individual” prayer to Him is so important. But you ARE NOT condemned by God or His Messiah.

For example, if I condemn you, then I am saying I am perfect and without sin. I know better than that.

People might not like your lifestyle, they are in no position to judge or condemn you. Because the moment they do, they proclaim before Almighty God that they are perfect .. and they are not.

If my Master did not condemn and adulterous woman, Neither should I because I am his disciple.

Only those who are not his true disciples would condemn you.

The world of Christianity is hypocritical. It will condemn things such as homosexuality, but remain silent when it comes to bloody warfare (which many of them involve themselves in) and looking the other way concerning the sick and the destitute. It is an evil religious system.

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R. Jerome Harris April 13, 2014 at 3:29 am

My friend, we ALL should not seek agreement from others who have the same beliefs as ours. We SHOULD seek God and Christs approval that our belief line up with what Christ taught. Unfortunately, what the religious system -called by men, Christianity – is teaching does not line up with what Christ taught. They dupe the masses by CLAIMING they teach what Christ taught.

Christ NEVER told us to be called “Christians” or “True Christians.” Man made up those words. Christ told us to be his disciples. Nothing more and nothing less.

Jesus never called his Father by the name of “Jehovah.” Jesus called him “Father.” It is religious systems that are placing a name on our Creator and our Creator has NOT revealed his “personal” name to us yet because his work is not finished. He has ceased “creating” and his “resting” from his works. He sent His Son to finish it. When it is finished – on the seventh creative day – then God will have proven who He is and then he will reveal his wonderful name to us.

The Son to this very day IS STILL spirit because he returned back to heaven.

Hell is not a place of eternal torment, hell is the grave. Jesus went there. Why? Because he died. Yes, Jesus spent three days in the grave (hell). Plus, we see hell and death BOTH being destroyed by being thrown into the Lake of Fire. So if hell will be destroyed, how can it be eternal. (Rev 20:14)

No where does it say when “One becomes a Christian” he MUST be renewed in spirit.  The word Christian is not used.

The rebirth you refer to is the resurrection that Christ promised ALL of mankind would have. (John 5:28-29).  Therefore, ALL of mankind MUST die – just like our Master – and be resurrected (reborn from the dead) just like our Master Christ.

Jesus is simply who he said he was: The Son of God. (John 1:18, Matthew 16:13-17, 1 John 4:12, 1 Cor 8:6, John 20:31)

There are OTHER Son of God. They are called angels. But the Chief Son of God is the one that God sent. Even Adam is a Son of God. (Luke 3:38)

Jesus DID NOT become human. The Son of God became human. Jesus was the name given AFTER this Son of God became human. Jesus was NOT the name of this Son of God in heaven.

Jesus did inherit a gene from Mary. Jesus was growing older and would have eventually died of old age. Jesus bled, a sweated, he peed, he defecated, and he died like any man would.

There is no such thing as a good or bad angel. Just angels. Angels are classified by who they align themselves with. God created ALL of the angels. At revelation 12:7 we see that Michael the Archangel has his angels and Satan (The Dragon) has his. There is no mention of angels being good or bad. They can become wicked just as man became wicked.

Angels are called the Sons of God. We see this in MANY places. In fact, Satan is a Son of God. (Job 1:6, Gen 6:4, Gen 6:2)

There was no such thing as Sunday through Saturday. So no one should be saying that Saturday or Sunday is the seventh day.

Notice that of all of the six says of creation, God has not yet said concerning the seventh day “the evening and the morning is the seventh day.” He has not made that statement yet because we are still in that DAY (Time period). “Day is not a literal 24 hour day. It is a time period.

It should not be a matter of what the OT and NT says about homosexuality, it should be about what God and his Christ says about it.

If a a person is an adulterer, homosexual or many other things, NONE of us are in a position to judge and condemn them. (John 8:1-11 and John 8:15)

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Myra Rutledge February 4, 2014 at 2:19 pm

Jesus is the Word of God, and Jesus is God (John 1:1). Jesus has always been and just as the Father, He has no beginning and no ending. He came to earth to redeem us from our sins. Man has became so evil until God, himself has come to rescue all who’d come.

Jesus, God and the Holy Spirit are one, and this is not debatable but the truth. Jesus is God’s Word materialized in the flesh. God wants us saved, but we have to “believe” in Jesus and know for certain who He is . . . the Son of God and God in the flesh when He walked this earth.

We, because of our sinful nature, are not worthy to go before a Holy God, this is why we need a Savior, who is Jesus Christ, to become our intercessor. He was all of man and God and He continues to be all of God and all that we need in order to prepare ourselves to live in paradise with Him forever.

He came to earth to redeem man, and He’s coming back as a God of “judgment.” Grace and Mercy will be passe’ once He comes back. Now, Jesus sits at the right hand of the Father ever interceeding for His people (Romans 8:34).

JESUS IS GOD!

 

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R. Jerome Harris February 5, 2014 at 4:36 am

Incorrect! Jesus has NOT always been with the Father. There was no one named Jesus in heaven “in the beginning.” There was one called the Son of God. Jesus is the name of the “manchild” given him by his mother, Mary.

John 1:1 does not say that “The Word” was ALWAYS with the Father, it says he was there “In the beginning.” In other words, the Son of God “had a beginning.”

If you believe what is written, then you believe what is written at Col 1:14-15 concerning the Son of God. It says, ” in whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: who is the image of the invisible God, the FIRSTBORN of every creature.”

So according to Col 1:15, the Son of God was the FIRSTBORN of all of God’s creations. In other words, he was created; he had a BEGINNING.

There is more scriptural proof that The Son of God was not ALWAYS with the Father. It is found at Revelation 3:14. It says: “And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, THE BEGINNING  of the creation of God;”

What do you do when you read Col 1:15 and Rev 3:14? Do you ignore them because you “choose” to believe that Jesus is God?

Those who do that set entrap themselves; especially with persons like me who know well what is written in the Bible and I will produce these two scriptures (and many others) and task you to explain them.

I find it interesting that the Apostle John commented in his work that ALL that he wrote down was for the purpose that: 

“but these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.” (John 20:31)

The Apostle did not write so that people would believe Jesus is God, but the Son of God.

If Jesus asked you the SAME question he asked his disciples at Matthew 16:15: “But what about you?” he asked. “Who do you say I am?”

Based on your comment, you would answer: God.

Well, that is an entirely different answer the Apostle Peter gave at Matthew 16:16: “Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.”

I do not fault in your belief that Jesus is God. (That is not my place). I know that many who do believe it are the products (fruitage) of the vast religious system called by men – Christianity – who has misled them and are causing them to believe something TOTALLY oppoiste of what Jesus taught about himself and who his disciples knew him to be.

That is why e-Prophetic.com is here. To show these types of reasonings and then show scriptures such as Col 1:14-15, Rev 3:14, John 20:31, Matthew 16:15-16, and 1 Cor 8:6 so that others can read them for themselves and reach their own conclusions.

This website is here also to show the many who believe such error about Christ lashout emotionally when they are disagreed with and presented with the above Scriptures that contradict their belief that Jesus is God. There is only ONE God: The Father. (1 Cor 8:6)

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Kerry Castle February 17, 2014 at 8:24 am

Hi can i get some clarification on (John 1:1) please ….. Since it is said that Jesus is the Word

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R. Jerome Harris February 20, 2014 at 5:06 am

Not a problem. Please look at not just John 1:1 but look at the ENTIRE context of John Chapter 1 because Jesus says some other things there about himself and His Father in heaven.

If you use the King James (KJV) version of the Bible you will see John 1:1 written like this:

“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”

First, notice that two – not three – persons are mentioned: (1) God and (2) The Word.

Secondly, notice that The Word “was with” God. What does this tell us? That “The Word” (Christ) was with God in the beginning. Not that he “was God” but that he was “with God.”

Why the confusion among so many? Because John 1:1 was mistranslated and very few people care to know the truth why it was mistranslated. But I will tell you why.

The early Bishops, they “dictated” into existence the idea and teaching that Jesus is God. Since then, this teaching had gone unchallenged all the way into the 1611 translation of the King James Version and others.

So the early Bible translators were ALREADY prejudiced because they wanted Jesus to be God.

So when they looked at John 1:1 (New Testament is all in Greek) they ignored the differences two instances of “God” in the Greek.

The first instance is “Ho Theos” or “The God.” The second instance does not have the definite article “Ho” in front of “Theos.” When written in this way, an “indefinite” article – such as “a” – is implied.

So John 1:1 is really says: In the beginning was the Word (Ho Theos), and the Word was “a god” (or godly).

This is accurate and it makes sense. Why? Because of something Jesus said in the same chapter a few verses down at John 1:18. He says:

“No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.”

Question: Have men seen Jesus? Yes, they have! Therefore, Jesus is not God.

The one called “The Word of God” is a title that God gave His Son. Why? Because it was God’s word that Christ spoke.

Revelation 19:13 is a Scripture I like to use because it confirms that no one – not even a book called the Bible – can be the Word of God, ONLY “The Christ” himself:

“And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.”

I do not ask anyone to take my word for it. I simply encourage them to do their own research.

With reference to John 1:1, look at the Greek manuscript. (Not the ones that religious organizations translate for themselves. They will translated it to fit their notion of Jesus being God).

Find a pure untranslated “Greek” New Testament and you will see for yourself.

Also Google “Nicene Creed and Athanasian Creed” and read up on them and reach your own conclusion.

Those who believe Jesus is God based on John 1:1 make him contradict himself because Jesus says something different at John 1:18. (See 1 John 4:12)

All because of a “preferred” and “prejudiced” mistranslation.

Talking about how a small spark and create a large blaze …

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Christian Simon August 21, 2014 at 2:50 pm

Let's not leave out "and the Word became flesh".  Also let us remember that at the time of creation God put everything into creation just with his spoken Word (The Son Of God), along with His Spirit hovering about the earth.  In the old Testament, in Genesis, I believe the word in the instance where "God created" is mentioned, is plural in the original language.  God alone is sinless.  God is with Himself at all times, The Father is with The Son at all times, and of course God is with His Spirit at all times – The Holy Ghost.  Was The Father ever separated from His Son except for when he took on the burden of the world at the cross – all of our inequities?  I would have to say the answer is NO.  For the Son Of God to be the only being in all of existence – past, present, and future, to be sinless meaning God was with Him at all times for Him to see and for Him to talk to, then He is OF God the Father, not a creation – OF being the point.  God's creations can at anytime make up their minds to rebel. Although others are also referred to as Sons of God, the one and true Son Of God is the one and only BEGOTTEN Son Of God.  He along with the Holy Spirit are the only ones in existense who ARE NOT CREATED – they are Of God.  In the flesh he was a Man named Jesus which was a common name, obedient to God the Father.  In the flesh would anyone believe he was God if He told them?  Would anyone believe Him in this condition?  He was on a mission for our salvation, not here to confuse us.  He humbled Himself for us as a man and as a servant to die for our salvation being obedient the whole time to the will of The Father that we may believe in and be obedient to Him.  His obedience was to the will of the Father – God; His dependence on GodTthe Father as a man was the will of The Father for our sake as to identify who they were following and believing in.  That's what made him a believable teaher and a threat to the establishment.  Before the Son Of God entered earth, he shared in all the glory of His Father – The Father God.  What is Of God is God – nothing less, nothing more.  God The Father, God The Son, and God The Holy Ghost.

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R. Jerome Harris October 2, 2014 at 6:07 am

You say, “What is Of God is God – nothing less, nothing more.  God The Father, God The Son, and God The Holy Ghost.”

So what is of God is God you say? 

Man is of God and was created in his image. So is man, God?

You are not presenting anything that Jesus taught. Instead you are “championing” and teaching a man-made doctrine and teaching called the Athanasian Creed (The Trinity) which was not known to ancient Israel, taught by Christ or his Apostles.

That such an ungoldy and blasphemous man-made teaching gets an incredible amount of defense shows where the hearts of many are: With this teaching and not with what Christ taught. Here is the expression and spirit of antrichrist. Opposing what Christ said and introducing something else.

Here is a link about the Athanasian Creed: https://www.ccel.org/creeds/athanasian.creed.html

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Christian Simon August 22, 2014 at 10:11 pm

Let's not leave out "and the Word became flesh".  Also let us remember that at the time of creation God put everything into creation just with his spoken Word (The Son Of God), along with His Spirit hovering about the earth.  In the old Testament, in Genesis, I believe the word in the instance where it says  "God created", the word is plural in the original language.  God alone is sinless.  God is with Himself at all times, The Father is with The Son at all times, and of course God's Spirit is God's Spirit, His Spirit alone – The Holy Ghost.  Was The Father ever separated from His Son except for at the instance, at the moment when The Son Of God took on the burden of the world at the cross – all of our inequities?  I would have to say the answer is NO.  For the Son Of God to be the only being in all of existence – past, present, and future, to be sinless and approved by The Father at all times except for the moment I mentioned above and all for our sake, meaning God was with Him at all times for Him to see and for Him to talk to, then He is OF God the Father, not a creation – OF being the point.  God's creation each have a nature of their own and can at anytime make up their individual mind to rebel.  The son on the other hand has a nature shared with The Father although individual of The Father.  Although others are also referred to as Sons of God, the one and true Son Of God is the one and only BEGOTTEN Son Of God, not created but OF GOD HIMSELF.  He along with the Holy Spirit are the only ones in existense who ARE NOT CREATED – they are Of God.  In the flesh he was a Man named Jesus with a common name of the time Jesus, obedient to God the Fathe r.  In being obedient to God The Father, He was being obedient to Himself as well – His nature, which is not God The Father's nature alone being he begot a Son.  In the flesh would anyone believe he was God if He told them?  Would anyone believe Him in this condition?  He was on a mission for our salvation, not here to confuse us with whether he was God or not, but was here in testament  to the written Word referring to the written Word at times – 'It is written", God's Word – Old and New Testament.  He humbled Himself for us as a man and as a servant to die for our salvation being obedient the whole time to the will of The Father, and to Himself being Of God, that we may believe in and be obedient to Him.  His obedience was to the will of the Father – God; His dependence on God The Father as a man was the will of The Father for our sake as to identify who they were following and believing in because it was written that The Son would come to die in our place so that we may have everlasting life.  That's what made him a believable teaher and a threat to the establishment.  Before the Son Of God entered earth, he shared in all the glory of His Father – The Father God.  What is Of God is God – nothing less, nothing more.  God The Father, God The Son, and God The Holy Ghost.

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R. Jerome Harris October 1, 2014 at 8:29 am

Yes, the word – not God – became flesh.

The man called Jesus was NOT the only “Son of God.” Yes, there were and are “Sons of God” who are the angels, but I am referring to another that God created and is called The Son of God: Adam. (Luke 3:38) Adam was also made in the “likeness of God” but no one goes around teaching that Adam is or was God.(Genesis 5:1)

Many who scour the Bible to find proof text really complicate (and confuses) matters when it is not necessary. The use of many words does not change who Christ is.

Many IGNORE what God and Christ say in preference to what a religious organization says and wants Jesus to be.

It is really quite simple as far as I am concerned.

Jesus ask his disciples a question at Matthew 16:15-16, “Who do YOU say I am?” How did Peter answer? “The Son of God.”  As far as I am concerned there need be no further discussion on the matter. Peter did not answer “God” did he? If Jesus asked many in the world today this same question, many would answer incorrectly.

The Apostle John at John 20:31 stated that all that he wrote down was so that “YOU may believe that Jesus is the Christ the Son of God.” Again, nothing else needs to be discussed.

 

The Apostle Paul at 1 Cor 8:6 says that we have only ONE GOD and He is the Father: “there is actually to us one God the Father, out of whom all things are, and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ.”

Jesus himself said that “No man has ever seen God.” Yet, men have seen Jesus. So how can be be God? (John 1:18 also see Exod 33:20, John 6:46, and 1 John 4:12)

God himself has said concerning his Son, that “this is my Son.” (Luke 9:35 and Matthew 3:17)

Jesus said that “The Father is greater than he is.” So when you say “nothing less and nothing more” The Father is MORE than Jesus. He is God. He is Jesus’ God. (John 14:28)

The Son of God had a beginning and he was created. God is eternal and he has no beginning or ending. No birth. (Col 1:15 and Revelation 3:14)

Jesus died. God cannot die.

I, in good conscience would never accept that Jesus is God because the Scriptures I quoted above would always be there staring back at me, especially Matthew 16:15-16, John 14:28, 1 Cor 8:6, John 1:18, Exod 33:20, John 20:31 and Luke 9:35. (There are many others).

These cannot be dismissed or ignored because someone wants so badly for the Master Jesus Christ – who has a God – to be God himself. I think it is blasphemous and disrepectful to the One True God who says that there are no other Gods but himself ALONE. (Psalms 83:18)

I with my Master – The Son of God – who says at John 20:17 “I am ascending to my Father and YOUR Father and to my God and YOUR God.’”

Jesus has a God. So how can he be God? Jesus would have known better than anyone that there is only ONE GOD.

I am sorry Simon, I do not accept Jesus as God.

It would be interesting to hear you and others explain the Scriptures I mentioned here to others should they ask you.

People are not stupid and you just can’t say something because you wish it to be. They will throw the scriptures I mentioned to you in front of you. You will have to reconcile them into the belief that Jesus is God. It cannot be done. Jesus’ question alone at Matthew 16:15-16 is a conversation stopper. What? Are you going to say that Peter answered incorrectly? Jesus blessed Peter because he answered correctly! (Matthew 16:17)

 

 

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Scott February 26, 2015 at 11:20 am

Is God the Father your master?

Spectre11 May 12, 2014 at 3:16 pm

Awesome blog, super topics  along with proofs that fly in the face of common lies believed by Christians.  Christians believe Jesus is God out of ignorance.  They don’t actually believe the written words of the Christ regarding his Identity.  I’ve seen it time and again myself.   I’m not suprised though people are not just ignorant about spiritual matters, they are ingnorant on many subject such as banking, govt, due process, Law ect.

 

best regards

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R. Jerome Harris May 13, 2014 at 3:49 am

Thank you for the kind words.

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Blogger August 12, 2014 at 5:42 pm

Here is my answer to the question, “Is Jesus God?” (In a nutshell, using the Holy Name Bible and my interpretation of readings from other sources):

Yahweh is Pure Spirit which is substance (infinite, eternal,  self-existent, unsearchable, unseeable, unknowable, inscrutable, all knowing, intelligent, just, holy, righteous, powerful, strong, loving, beautiful, etc.) and invisible unless He reveals or manifests Himself.  He encompasses all of the universes that now or evermore shall be (and all there is therein) within Himself.    

There was an angelic creation (visible and invisible spirit manifestation) revealed in dreams and visions; and there was a physical creation (flesh or material or physical manifestation- the world we see, feel and touch.)  The spirit was put in the flesh of the physical creation to make it live and move and have it’s being.  So, the manifestations of Yahweh are in the spirit and in the flesh.

Elohim was the Word, the Son, the first born or the first manifestation of all creation that came out of Yahweh.  Elohim is the One that said, “Let there be…”  And the first thing that was, was Him, Elohim (out of the invisible Pure Spirit Yahweh – the Father.)  He is the Elohim of Israel (See Exodus 24:9-10).  He is the Creator and without Him was not anything made that was made.

And Elohim, the Word, became flesh (and was named Yahshua which is a contraction for Yah-Hoshua, which means Yahweh Savior) and walked on the earth among His creation to save us from our sin and our separation from Him (which leads to eternal death) by doing every thing Yahweh commanded us to do (which we did not) so that we could have eternal life through the obedient, righteous works that He alone did as His Father commanded Him to do without sin, so that no one could accuse us and condemn us because He loves His creation in whom He dwells.  And we killed Him.

“Elohim” is mistranslated as “God” in the English.

After Yahshua’s Resurrection and Ascension, Yahshua sent back the Holy Ghost (the Comforter) on the day of Pentecost in fulfillment of a prophecy by the prophet Joel (Acts 2:17): “And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith Yahweh, I will pour out My Spirit upon all flesh:…”

In John 14:9. “Yahshua saith… he that hath seen me hath seen the Father…”

Hosea 13:4 says, “Yet I am Yahweh thy Elohim from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no Elohim but Me; for there is no savior beside Me.

Isaiah 45:18 says, “… I am Yahweh: and there is none else.”  Repeat: NONE else.

I think, the term TRINITY is too small to explain the nature of Yahweh.

The Greeks changed Yahshua’s name to Iesus or Ea-zeus (the Healing Zeus).  Then, after the letter “J” was introduced to the English language around the 15th Century, Iesus was changed to Jesus.

This might explain why answering the question “Is Jesus God” used to be Greek to me.

But now I can say, the answer is Yes, Yahshua is Yahweh in the flesh through the Comforter Which is the Holy Spirit ministering inside and outside of all those who believe in Him and receive Him, but everything in the creation is subordinate to Yahweh Who we will know is all in all (I Corinthians 15:28)

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R. Jerome Harris October 2, 2014 at 9:40 am

I appreciate your comment. I do not agree because it seems that you referred to everyone else except God and Christ on the matter. You referred to Hosea, Isaiah, and Exodus.

At Isaiah 45:18 how can Jesus be God when there was no Jesus? He was not “born” yet. The Most High God – The Father – was referring to himself. Jesus is not a name from heaven, it is the name his parents gave him on earth when he was born. There was no one in heaven named Jesus. The angelic being God sent – The Son of God – was not named Jesus in heaven.

At John 14:9, Jesus was not saying he was God because persons saw him. Jesus had already made it clear in that same book at John 1:18 that “no man has ever seen God at ANYTIME.” Yet, men saw Jesus. So what Jesus said at John 14:9 was teaching persons “that if you see me and see how I treat people” then you see what God is like.” People to this day say I am just like my biological father because I have many of his traits. But I am not my father, I am his son. We are two individual people. This is what Jesus was teaching.

When persons look for Scriptures to make Jesus God against the MANY obvious ones that says that he is not God, they make what is written invalid before the world. They create contraditions. And, that is why those who believe Jesus is God ignore the many scriptures that say his is NOT God, but The Son of God. They will be trapped.

I know God knows who his own son is because GOD says at Luke 9:35 and Matthew 3:17, “This is my Son …”

I know that Jesus closest companions and students knew who he was because Jesus asked them the question, “Who do you say I am?” Peter correctly answers:

“You are THE SON of the living God.”

Peter did not answer, “You are God” did he. Why? Because Peter and the other disciples knew better than that.

The Apostle John at John 20:31 said that all that he wrote down was for one purpose. What purpose was that?

“But these have been written down that YOU may believe that Jesus is the Christ the Son of God …”

Yet, those of you who maintain that Jesus is God, ignore these “no-brainer” Scriptures because they make you somehow uncomfortable. That uncomfort is the truth warring with the lie that Jesus is God. The enemy (the lie) will run away and void these truthful Scriptures.

They prefer the lie and do not really care what God and Christ says.

They want Jesus to be God no matter what.

They say nothing to come to the defense of the one who is The ONLY TRUE God, THE FATHER. It is almost as if he doesn’t matter to them.

Yet, it is “The Father” who Jesus said is “his God.”

” … ‘I am ascending to my Father and YOUR Father and to my God and YOUR God.'” (John 20:17)

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Aroq August 20, 2014 at 1:41 pm

Mr. Harris,

 

I followed you here from some of what you have written on JW.net and saw your tag to visit this site. Most of what you have said over at JW.net I agree with. I do understand you have a good grasp on what it is you believe and it shows through your writings. I admire that, as it is not always something I am able to convey in both spoken and written discussions. I want to discuss this thread with you, but first I want to clear something up. I do not wish to get into a debate of who’s right and who’s wrong, who’s following the devil and who’s following God. I see that in this thread already and it really doesn’t conform to your personal statement “Neither do I engage in besmirching members belonging to the various religious organizations because their views are not in alignment with what I write.”

 

“You people are “anti” and “opposing” who God, Christ and the disciples state Jesus is.”

 

“You hate Christ and his teachings and you love another master and you embrace the teachings of that “other” master as those teachings certainly do not come from Christ.Your agenda is an evil one in that you have to first place a foul stench on the persons who call you out. That in itself shows that you are not disciples or “taught ones” of the Christ.”

 

None of this is how Jesus commanded us to treat each other.

 

That being said, lets discuss scripture and not religion.

 

I believe that the Bible is God’s inspired word. It is the only thing we have that tells us about God and His plans, past, present and future. Scripture is absolute and must be measured by scripture and not by external works. I am one who believes Jesus is God. Before I go into why and using scripture to support my view, I must address those scriptures you brought up. I want to have a discussion and address what you present and vice versa.

 

Matthew 16:13-17

I agree with you in the fact that Jesus claimed to be the Son of God, and this is what the disciples also believed.  I agree with you that if anyone answers contrary to this is not correct. Contrary is the key. I do not believe that if Jesus is the Son of God he cannot be God as well. So my belief is not contrary.  I think you are putting limitations on who Jesus is based on this statement made in Matthew. If one were to claim Jesus is the King of Kings and Lord of Lords, is that contrary to what Matthew 16:13-17 states? Not at all, it is merely an addition. Up to this point in Matthew, this is all that the disciples knew of Jesus.

 

What about the person who sent His only begotten Son? What does He say of Jesus?

You referenced Matthew 3:17, Luke 9:35, Matthew 4:3&6. These scriptures also speak of Jesus being the Son of God, to which I agree.  What about Hebrews 1:8 “8 But of the Son He says, “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, And the righteous scepter is the scepter of His kingdom.” Here in this same chapter, just a few verses before, God tells the angels to worship Jesus. Remember this is against scripture, unless Jesus is God.

 

Can God Be Seen With The Human Eye?

Next we come to the point of not seeing God. John 1:18, Exodus 33:20, 1 john 4:12 and Colossian 1:15 are your scriptures you referenced. Let’s look at some other scriptures as well. Genesis 12:7 “7 The Lord appeared to Abram and said, “To your descendants I will give this land.” So he built an altar there to the Lord who had appeared to him.Who was it who appeared to Abraham? The Hebrew Scriptures say it was YHWH. How can this be? Jesus told Thomas in John 14 “7 If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; from now on you know Him, and have seen Him.” And again to Philip at verse 99 Jesus *said to him, “Have I been so long with you, and yet you have not come to know Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?

These are instances where we must discern what it being said. Moses wanted to see God in all of His glory (Exodus 33: 18 Then <sup data-fn="#fen-NASB-2492h" value="[h]”>[h]Moses said, “I pray You, show me Your glory!”), and God said no, for he would die. What does this mean? Does this mean that God cannot be seen? Well Moses saw God’s back! So there must be more to it that just seeing God, it has to do with the fullness of God in all of His glory.

You mentioned God being invisible by means of Colossians 1:15. If this is true in the sense you are using it, then whom did Moses see?  Also take note of 1 Timothy 1:17 and 1 Timothy 6:14-16:

“17 Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory forever and ever. Amen.

“14 that you keep the commandment without stain or reproach until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ, 15 which He will bring about at the proper time—He who is the blessed and only Sovereign, the King of kings and Lord of lords, 16 who alone possesses immortality and dwells in unapproachable light, whom no man has seen or can see. To Him be honor and eternal dominion! Amen.”

The King of kings and Lord of lords is none other than Jesus, but yet this scripture states no man has seen Him, or is this a reference to the Father? Same goes for 1 Timothy 1:17, who is “the King”? Jesus is the King, but again this states that he is invisible and also the only God. So which is it?  

 

Does God Have An Equal?

 

John 14:28 is your reference point. I agree fully what Jesus said here, there is structure in everything God created. Family structure, ecosystems have structure, the ocean has a structure so why wouldn’t Heaven? It does! Angels are going to be judged by men appointed by God (1 Cor 6:3 Do you not know that we will judge angels? How much more matters of this life?”).  So each member of the Godhead has their own responsibility, and are in subjection to the Father. This is clear when Jesus is to hand over the kingdom to God the Father (1 Cor 15:24). Is the man in the family any better than the woman? No they are equal, but they do not share equality within the marriage. One has to be the leader. Is an earthly father greater than his son? Yes, but they are equally man.

 

Is Anyone Above Jesus?

Yes, see above

 

Does Jesus Know Everything?

No, for the reasons above. One does not need to know everything when one trusts the one in charge.

 

John 1:1 is a whole different topic in which we can go into later, for the sake of some sort of brevity I will address this another time.

 

 

Only one is good

You made an assumption about what the scripture says in Matthew 19:16-17. It does not say that Jesus refused anything. Jesus simply asked a question. In fact the scripture states “16 And someone came to Him and said, “Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may obtain eternal life?” 17 And He said to him, “Why are you asking Me about what is good? There is only One who is good; but if you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments.” It was not about Jesus being called “Good” but rather what the rich man needed to do that was good. You must have been thinking of Luke 18:18-19, but again it was not a denouncement but rather a statement. Jesus did not refuse this but instead attributed if He Himself was good then He Himself would be God. You need to prove the refusal of being called Good, speech today is much different than speech then.

 

Can God be tempted?

 

Nope. That being said, I do not deny that Jesus is God. Philippians 2:6-8 6 who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7 but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men. 8 Being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.”  What did Jesus do? He took on the form of man. Why? So He would relate to our temptations, hunger, thirst, troubles, pain, etc. We then would have a perfect advocate who knows our struggle from being one of us. So when He took on flesh and dwelt among us, He also took on our struggles, this is why He could die, be tempted, etc.

 

Ok, so that is enough for today. But before I go I just want to leave you with a couple things to research and consider.

 

If Jesus is not God but a god, who is he to add to Hebrew scripture given by God Himself?

Matthew 5: 21 “You have heard that <sup data-fn="#fen-NASB-23256k" value="[k]”>[k]the ancients were told, ‘You shall not commit murder’ and ‘Whoever commits murder shall be <sup data-fn="#fen-NASB-23256l" value="[l]”>[l]liable to the court.’ 22 But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be <sup data-fn="#fen-NASB-23257m" value="[m]”>[m]guilty before the court; and whoever says to his brother, ‘<sup data-fn="#fen-NASB-23257n" value="[n]”>[n]You good-for-nothing,’ shall be <sup data-fn="#fen-NASB-23257o" value="[o]”>[o]guilty before <sup data-fn="#fen-NASB-23257p" value="[p]”>[p]the supreme court; and whoever says, ‘You fool,’ shall be <sup data-fn="#fen-NASB-23257q" value="[q]”>[q]guilty enough to go into the <sup data-fn="#fen-NASB-23257r" value="[r]”>[r]fiery hell.

Matthew 5: “27 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery’; 28 but I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

Matthew 5: “31 “It was said, ‘Whoever sends his wife away, let him give her a certificate of divorce’; 32 but I say to you that everyone who <sup data-fn="#fen-NASB-23267ae" value="[ae]”>[ae]divorces his wife, except for the reason of unchastity, makes her commit adultery; and whoever marries a <sup data-fn="#fen-NASB-23267af" value="[af]”>[af]divorced woman commits adultery.

33 “Again, you have heard that <sup data-fn="#fen-NASB-23268ag" value="[ag]”>[ag]the ancients were told, ‘<sup data-fn="#fen-NASB-23268ah" value="[ah]”>[ah]You shall not <sup data-fn="#fen-NASB-23268ai" value="[ai]”>[ai]make false vows, but shall fulfill your <sup data-fn="#fen-NASB-23268aj" value="[aj]”>[aj]vows to the Lord.’ 34 But I say to you, make no oath at all, either by heaven, for it is the throne of God, 35 or by the earth, for it is the footstool of His feet, or <sup data-fn="#fen-NASB-23270ak" value="[ak]”>[ak]by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the great King.”

Matthew 5: “38 “You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth.’ 39 But I say to you, do not resist an evil person; but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also.

Matthew 5: “43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 so that you may <sup data-fn="#fen-NASB-23280ap" value="[ap]”>[ap]be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.”

God wrote the commandments to Moses, and Jesus here is amending them. Who is Jesus to supersede the 10 commandments?

 

Who is he to give additional commandments?

John 13:34 34 A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, even as I have loved you, that you also love one another. 35 By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another.”’

I look forward to your reply.

 

Aroq

 

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R. Jerome Harris October 2, 2014 at 5:44 am

With all respect (and boldness).

Of course the intent of your post is to “debate of who’s right and who’s wrong.” Let’s not play games here.

You have stated that you believe the bible is the inspired word of God. I do not. I believe Christ is “The Word of God.” You would have made such a statement if you were not concerned about who is right or wrong. 🙂

While I do appreciate your kind comments, I do not seek approval or kudos from anyone. What I write is serious business and I stick by it. I just don’t play games and I am a straight shooter. If I believe one is wrong – based on what Christ has said – I will show why they are in error. I have no problem with doing that. I am not here to be ALWAYS agreeable. If I do not agree I do not agree and will always show “why” I do not.

I completely disagree with what you said about my statement on the website: “Neither do I engage in besmirching members belonging to the various religious organizations because their views are not in alignment with what I write.”

You took a “personal” shot. This is what most do when they are not agreed with. Rather than deal with the topic at hand, they drag a Red Herring and make the presenter the topic so as to discredit him or her.

Disagreeing is being interpreted as “besmirching” and I also stated on my website that “Differences of viewpoint on my part will most certainly be misconstrued as besmirching, unfaithfulness, rebelliousness, disloyalty and disobedience to God by those loyal to the religious organizations they belong to.”

I wrote that because there will be individuals who seek “agreement” and “agreement” I will not give them if it is not “agreeable” with what Christ said and taught.

Jesus labeled persons “hypocrites” and “evildoers.” The Apostle John labeled others “antichrists” for example. Yet, I doubt if any would say to Christ or the Apostles not to do that.

I am bold, yes. One should be when it comes to speaking the truth about God and Christ. But I will not deviate from my manner because someone does it like it or has a problem with it. Neither will I apologize for my viewpoints. They are mine own and they are firmly grounded in what Christ taught. (Acts 4:29-31)

I say this respectfully, underneath what you have written is the false teaching that Jesus is both God and the Son of God. You present a “compromise teaching” and you do not take a firm stand on either the Father being God or Christ being God. You play both sides and make them both. Only one can be God, not both. (1 Cor 8:6) I will always reject a teaching that Jesus is God. There is only one God, The Father.

I have seen every angle persons have employed to come at me in an attempt to make it appear that they believe that Jesus is God but also – somehow – the Son of God at the same time. (What you have written is not new to me).

Here is the problem I have with what you and others say about Jesus being God: You rarely address the Scriptures from God Himself and Christ himself that explicitly state that Jesus is NOT God but simply the Son of God. You go out of your way to find verses that you “think” counter what God and Christ have said. You will say that I quoted the scriptures, but you bypass them without examination or make them say what you want them to say rather than let God and Christ speak.

Matthew 16:13-17 is clear. It is a conversation stopper concerning who Jesus is. The question was asked by Jesus, “Who do you say I am.” Why would disciples of Christ today answer “God?” If Christ asked you that question would you go into a ling dissertation with him or would you answer him plainly as Peter did? The answer to this question would be known by all who truly know the Master. Those who make him God do so because they do not know who he is. If one does not know who Christ is, they certainly cannot know who is the one who sent him. So, they say “Let’s make them both God and that covers us.” Yet, the Creator – The Father – gets little mention or “defense as being God” from many of you. Jesus gets all of the props.

I written numerous times what the Most High God says about his son. I mentioned Luke 9:35, Matthew 3:17 and Matthew 4:3-6 and you say you agree. BUT then you show that you don’t really agree because you pull the “Well, what about Hebrews 1:8” which you have taken out of context. The words the Apostle Paul spoke here were not his, they were Davids at Ps 45:6. Paul was quoting David. And David was saying with reference to “The Son” that “The Sons throne is of or from God.” He is not saying that Jesus is God. I encouage you to examine other Bible translations of this verse and perhaps look at the Greek text as well.

Angels are not worshiping The Son of God at Hebrews 1:6. Angels would never do that as they know that there is only one God. Do you really believe that angels would bow down – in front of the Most High God – and worship their Brother, another Son of God? The mistranslated word is not “worship” it is “adore” or have “admiration for.”

Jesus himself told the Devil at Matthew 4:10: “Away from me, Satan! For it is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.”

Jesus also told a woman at John 4:21-23:

“Believe me, woman, The hour is coming when neither in this mountain nor in Jerusalem will YOU people worship the Father.  YOU worship what YOU do not know; we worship what we know, because salvation originates with the Jews.  Nevertheless, the hour is coming, and it is now, when the true worshipers will worship the Father with spirit and truth, for, indeed, the Father is looking for suchlike ones to worship him.”

Those who worship Jesus as God, “worship what they do not know.” If they truly knew Jesus, they would know not to worship him because he is not God.

If Jesus was God, why did not his chosen ones – The Apostles – not worship him? Why do we not see this?

So I strictly believe what Christ says. When others try to make Jesus God, I see the Devil behind those thoughts. And, I say to them through my writings, “Away from me, Satan! For it is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.”

With reference to seeing God. Once again, it what Christ says about the matter, not you or me. If Jesus says “no man has ever seen God at anytime”, then it is the truth. (John 1:18). It is obvious that those who Christ taught believed the same thing. (John 6:46, 1 John 4:12. Also see Exod 33:20) Why would you try to make him a liar? Have you ever considered that references such as Gen 12:7 must mean something else? Or that Moses did not see God?

When God spoke to Moses did he see God’s face or was it “through” a burning bush? When God spoke to Adam and Noah was it face to face? No! They never saw God. God spoke to these persons “through” things such as an angel. In our case today, God speaks to us “through” his Son, who is His Word, not a book men named the Bible. (John 14:6)

When you do what you do by looking for Scriptures that counter  (oppose or anti) what Christ himself has said, you set yourself up for failure and you adulterate the truth about God and Christ. In front of all of the world that we are suppose to “make disciples to Christ” it sows confusion.

If Christ states it, why would anyone look for words to counter what he said unless they have the spirit of antichrist?

Many have this spirit of antichrist and are not aware it. It is subtle. It “opposes” what Christ has said. If Christ says “No man has seen God at any time” and one does the “Well, what about this scripture that “appears” to say that Jesus is God”  well, that is the “spirit  or expression of antichrist” that the Apostle john said would come. (1 John 4:3)

I am actually appalled at the extent many go to make Jesus God. NEVER has Jesus made such a statement and even His God and Father in Heaven – who is the Only God according to 1 Cor 8:6 and Ps 83:18 – said that Jesus is his Son. (Luke 9:35). I am absolutely appalled at the resistance and opposition to what Christ taught about who he is! There is a definite defiance to Christ by those who make him God and many take offense me saying so! I have absolutely no problem saying this. I make no apologizes. I say so boldly and it is not a besmirching but a statement of truth “as God and Christ” (not me) has spoken. 

I do not view persons who say Jesus as God as one of his disciples. A disciple of Christ would know him. I am also fully aware that it is not the fault of the many who do believe Jesus is God. They are innocent. They are the victims of a world “in the power of the wicked one” who has created and spun the lie. It is not much different from what the Serpent told Eve back in the garden. It closely resembled what God told Adam, but with a slight twist that made it a lie. One of the biggest lies being told is that The Son is God. In spite of God saying, “This is my Son.”

There is no such thing as a “God Head” (trinity) and is not mentioned in the Bible. It is a man-made teaching that sprang from the Athanasian Creed and taught in the Roman Catholic Church.  I will show you here by what you have stated that the “spirit or expressionss of antichrist” (an opposing what Christ said) is at work.

You said: “One has to be the leader. Is an earthly father greater than his son? Yes, but they are equally man.”

So you are saying that The Son and the Father are equal. Well, what does Christ say about that? (Again, these are not my words so any disagreement you have is with the Christ, not me. I do not subscribe to clever tactics such as “you just don’t understand”. I view that as a copout).

Jesus said at John 14:28:

“The Father, because the Father is greater than I am.”

Another way of putting it is that the Son is “lesser” than the Father. So they are NOT equal.

The Apostle Paul shows at 1 Cor 11:3 that Christ has a Head or Lord above him. Who? God! So they are not equal.

In the same scripture man has a Head above him. Who? Christ? Is man equal to Christ? Are men Christ?

Another point for consideration is that The Son of God had a beginning, he was “created” by God. God is eternal and has no beginning and no ending. God cannot be created! (Col 1:15 and Rev 3:14)

God cannot be killed. Jesus was put to death.

God is all knowing. Yet, Jesus showed a limitation in knowledge at Matthew 24:36.

It is really quite a stretch to teach that Jesus is God. It is an “expression or spirit of antichrist” teaching that is in the air (discuused and taught) and it disrespects the one who is “exclusively” God, The Father. Who is defending the Father of us all? Mankind insists on making what was created, God.

King David said at Psalms 83:18:

“That men may know that thou, whose name alone is Jehovah, art the most high over all the earth.” (KJV)

The Apostle Paul had it right when he said the truth about God (who is the Father) would be exchanged for a lie (that the Son is God) and that that which was “created” would be worshiped instead of the one who did the “creating.”

“Therefore God, in keeping with the desires of their hearts, gave them up to uncleanness, that their bodies might be dishonored among them, even those who exchanged the truth of God for the lie and venerated and rendered sacred service to the creation rather than the One who created, who is blessed forever.” (Romans 1:24-24)

I will respond to all comments, but one wastes their time thinking I will ignore what Christ said and be swayed to believing anything otherwise. Men today are arrogant with relation to God and Christ. They actually defy what they taught and said with use of many words that muddle what was clearly stated by them and even introducing man-made documents (such as the trinity teaching) to make Jesus someone he is not. While at the same time “dissing” the one who is God. And, go to great lengths to get others to “blindly” believe as they do. And when they cannot get the “agreement” they seek, then they go “personal.”

As far as I am concerned, what Christ taught is very clear and I will not put myself at odds at what “he” says. You try to explain him through worldly wisdom and what is taught by its religious systems and its “trinity” teaching. I let Christ explain himself as his words are clear and need no re-hashing.

The bottom line in your post is that you believe and want Jesus to be God. I “know” who he is because I listen to him: He is the Son of God.

I am with the Apostle John when he said at John 20:31:

“But these have been written down that YOU may believe that Jesus is the Christ the Son of God, and that, because of believing, YOU may have life by means of his name.”

Was John lying or in error? I think not. What is rocket-science about what John said above? Nothing. It is clear. Like John who knew what he was talking about, so do I.

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Christian Simon August 20, 2014 at 11:13 pm

God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Ghost.  As one posted earlier, Jesus came in the flesh and gave up all of his heavenly authority to redeem flesh and blood back to God our Creator.  The only one who could be with God is God.  God is the only one in existence who is present with himself at all times as was Jesus except for that moment when he bore the sins of the world.  If no one has ever seen God or could not see God surely one sent by God could see God.  You would have to ask yourself this question – why would Jesus be able to see God when no one else has seen God?  To be able to see God would mean that you would have to be of God and with God, although He is the Son of God.  Who is the only One without Sin?  God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Ghost.  The Holy Spirit – why was blaspheme of the Holy Spirit the greatest sin?  You are blaspheming against God if you blaspheme The Holy Spirit.  Scott is right on point.  Jesus in his flesh did not come in full glory but came in the lowest form first as man then as a servant to all of humanity.  You testify to Jesus'  "being" through the use of the Bible but reject parts where he is not directly identifying himself.  If you reject part of his Holy Word given us through Holy inspiration, then you are rejecting God or part of God which is to reject him wholly; the written word is Holy and given to us by way of man through the inspiration of God the Father.  Yes Jesus is the Son of God who came in the flesh but said himself that he was the beginning and the end also referring to himself as "I AM" meaning that He is to become All things that you need.  Also to clear up something I read earlier, Jesus was begotten and not created as everything else that was created through him.  He was born of God, is of God.  As is the Holy Spirit, is of God as no others in existence.  They were not created but are of God and have both been in existence since the beginning.  Notice I do not say in creation but existence.

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R. Jerome Harris October 2, 2014 at 9:19 am

No, I don’t think so. You are not producing scriptures to support your view that Jesus is God. You are preaching. And if and when you produce scriptures, you should consider ALL of them. Such as John 20:32, Matthew 16:13-17, 1 Cor 8:6, John 1:18,  John 6:46, 1 John 4:12, Exodus 33:20, Luke 9:35, Ps 83:18 and so many others.

These have to be explained to those who have inquiries about them. You just cannot dismiss these scriptures because you do not like them or cannot explain them. Neither should you try to twist them to make them appear to say something different. They are clear.

Whenever I see persons take what God and Christ or The Apostles state clearly and twist them to fit a a “preference” for a particular human-spun belief, I automatically become suspect.

If Jesus says, “No man has ever seen God …” this is as clear as a bright sunny day. If God says, “This is my Son …” This also is as clear as a bright cloudless day. When an Apostle of Chrisy says, “there is actually to us one God the Father” it is crystal clear. No room for misunderstanding what was said.

Yet, the expression and spirit of antichrist operates in those who cling to the God and Christ-defying teaching that Jesus is God. It defies Christ and it denies the Father his exclusive position as God.

The Apostle John said at 1 John 2:22:

“Who is the liar if it is not the one that denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one that denies the Father and the Son.”

When one says that Jesus is God, they are in DENIAL him his proper positionas “The Christ.” When one says that Jesus is God, they are also in DENIAL of the Father being exclusively God. They deny both the Father and the Son. They are antichrists whether they realize it or not.

Those who recognize Jesus Christ as “The Son” have the correct thinking and they are not in denial of him in this role. This shows they understand that Christ has a Head over him, His Father who is God. This thinking on their part shows that are not in denial of The Father because they know that ONLY The Father is God. Thus, both the Father and the Sons positions are rightly recognized: One is The Father who is God and the other is The Son who is The Christ.

Only antichrist thinking would make Jesus God thus removing him from being The Christ (Messiah) who was SENT BY God.

 

 

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Christian Simon August 21, 2014 at 8:00 pm

The Son Of God is the only Begotten Son Of God which could also be used to refer to Him.  Therefore by nature if He were to do any other thing other than The Will Of The Father He would be going against not only The Father's Will  but Himself – His Will as well.  So therefore, it stands to reason that It is The Father's and The Son's Will by nature that He – The Son, die for the salvation of flesh – the unsaved human, when The Father cries out to His Son at that instance and The Son cries out at that same instance "Father, Father, why have you foresaken me" at the moment when They were separated from one another for the first and last time when The Son bore the weight of the wicked world – all of our past, present, future sins, on the cross.  The love of God.

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R. Jerome Harris October 2, 2014 at 6:01 am

The topic is, “Is Jesus God?” Are you preaching or teaching? Again, nothing YOU have said shows that Jesus is God.

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Christian Simon August 22, 2014 at 5:28 am

Obedience to The Father God IS obedience to Himself not by creation, not by design, but by the very nature of God The Father Himself through inheritance – begotten; The Son would possess the very nature of God The Father Himself – His Will and all that God Is, one and the same – inseperable, unlike anything in creation where obedience to her/himself would not mean obedience to God The Father by nature because creation is not BEGOTTEN OF GOD and does not possess His nature by inheritance, only THE ONLY BEGOTTEN OF GOD THE FATHER is THE ONLY ONE IN EXISTENCE – past, present, future that is OF GOD and is THE ONLY BEGOTTEN OF GOD as well as the Holy Spirit of course.  He couldn't have had it any other way without being disobedient to Himself, being The Only Begotten Of God The Father -.The Only Begotten Son Of God.

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R. Jerome Harris October 2, 2014 at 5:58 am

Sorry, nothing you have written here shows that Jesus is God.

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duke September 19, 2014 at 2:52 am

Peace be with the reader,

The Son of man is the only begotten Son of our Father,

he is the mediator between man and the Creator.

The faithful witness

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R. Jerome Harris October 1, 2014 at 6:47 am

I agree.

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Rob June 21, 2015 at 1:07 am

Hi Jerome…

Jesus said in the Bible, I and the Father are One.  According to the Bible the Godhead is made up of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.  They are seperatek, but are still one.  What combines them is love.  What seperates them is Judgement.  The word has Judgement in it.  Thus in love there are no barriers between us, however in Judgement there is fear and accountability, which defines boundries and positions of authority.  This is how it was explained to me in prayer.

This may also help:

John 17:20-23
"Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me."
 KJV

There is no Judgement in Love.  So ultimately the Bible is a narrative on how to love.  We are free from the law through grace, but with grace we are commanded to love one another, which I far harder at times than simply obeying law.

Anyways, I am glad you are loking at this and not taking the spoon feedings.  Our relationship with Jesus exists within love and if we choose not to love we are judged.  The Pharasees want law to measure and judge us by, rather than simply doing as you are explaining to listen to Jesus.  I will leave you with this one last point.  Jesus said that upon this rock I will build my Church.  Jesus was pointing at himself.  There are no other churches, Jesus is the church, the true vine.

There are a couple of others on YouTube that think like you as well and I enjoy listening to them.

https://www.youtube.com/user/finalcall07

 

R$E

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCIsYlLpgMOFfixJ0y1vR2UQ

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R. Jerome Harris June 25, 2015 at 1:34 am

Jesus said more than “The Father and I are one.” Jesus also said that the “Father is greater” than he is. If Jesus was God, he would be “equal to God. (John 14:28)

What many of those who attempt to use John 10:30 as “proof” that Jesus is God ALWAYS ignore what Jesus said in prayer to his Father in heaven with regards his followers at John 17:21-22. He said:

“That they (his followers) may all be one,” and he added, “that they may be one even as we are one. So are Jesus’ followers to be God also? So in what sense did Jesus mean that he and the Father are one and that his followers also be one? That they would share a oneness of purpose with the Father and the Son, the same sort of oneness that unites God and Christ.

When a man and a woman are married, are they considered “one flesh?” Yes they are. But they are two distinct persons: a man and a woman. So, when Jesus said that he and his Father are one, he was not saying that he was ALSO God or equal to God.

According to 1 Cor 11:3, the Apostle Paul shows that a woman has a “Head” above her. Who? The man. Likewise, the man has a “Head” above him. Who? Christ. Christ also has a Head above him. Who? God.

There is no such thing as a “Godhead.” This expression was made up to support Roman Catholic Bishops of the distant past who wanted to promote the idea of God being a “Trinity.” (Athanasian Creed). It is a word that does not appear in the Bible. Yet, people contantly say, “According to the Bible.”

In prayer to his Father in heaven, Jesus said, “This is life, that they know thee THE ONLY TRUE GOD …” So was Jesus lying or did not know who the ONLY TRUE GOD was? (John 17:1-3)

The Apostle Paul at 1 Cor 8:6 echoes what Jesus taught about the Father being the ONLY God. He said, “Although there may be so-called gods in heaven or on earth—as indeed there are many ‘gods’ and many ‘lords’— yet for us there is one God, the Father…” Was Paul lying, too?

The Apostle Peter understood that Jesus has a God and that God is “The Father.” Read at 1 Peter 1:3: “Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.”

On earth, Jesus himself spoke of “The Father” as his God. (John 20:17) and later while in heaven Jesus says the same thing. (Rev 3:12)

In the Lords Prayer, did Jesus include himself to be the one we are to pray to? No! It was to “Our Father in heaven.” (Jesus acknowledges that his God and Father is “The Father”)

Those who wish to make Jesus God cannot continue to press forward and ignore the many obvious things that Jesus, the Apostles and the Father himself said with regards Jesus Christ.

The world today that believes that Jesus is God has been grossly misled because it has listened to “doctrines of men” (The Nicaean and Athanasian Creed) and not God and the one he sent. (Luke 9:35)

If Jesus says at John 1:18 that “no one has ever seen God” they prefer to ignore what Jesus said. (People saw Jesus when he walked the earth more than 2000 years ago. See John 6:46, 1 John 4:12 and Exodus 33:20)

If Christ asked many today the same question he asked his disciples at Matthew 16:15, “Who do you say I am?”

The majority of the world would answer incorrectly. It would not answer as the Apostle Peter did.

The majority of the world today does not hear what John said at John 20:31. It listens to the doctrines of men today that tells them that “Jesus is God.”

How can Jesus Christ be “The Son of God AND God.” How can he be both Father and Son.

If Jesus was God, he would know what God knows. Yet, Jesus said at Matthew 24:36 that he did not know.

Yet, those who believe Jesus is God look the other way and care not to address any of this. Why? Because it is by an “emotional” prompt that makes them want to believe what Jesus is not and never claimed to be.

Jesus did not come to earth to bring attention to himself – not even as the Son of God. He was sent and came to direct the world to his Father in heaven who “is” The Only God and to do the will of the Father, not his OWN will. If he was God he would have told us to do “his” (Jesus’) will.

God cannot die as he is eternal. He had no beginning and has no ending. Jesus “had a beginning” according to Col 1:15 and Revelation and he also had a brief ending: He died!

So no, I will forever reject this demonic and lying teaching an defend the truthfulness of my God (The Father) and of my Master (Christ Jesus). Thus, my fight is against this wicked world who aggressively promotes this lie and does all it can to get others to believe it.

The truth has always been an up hill battle in this world. Sadly, many claiming to be “friends” and followers of Christ have proven to be his worst enemies and refuse to acknowledge that he is simply who he says he is: The Son of God.

Thus, the need for e-Prophetic.com

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R. Jerome Harris March 16, 2015 at 9:23 am

I know that there is one God. I believe in the one God, the Father. (1 Cor 8:6)

The Father is my God as he is Jesus’ God also. 

My Head and Master is Christ Jesus. (1 Cor 11:3)

Christ Head and Master is God. (1 Cor 11:3)

I worship the Father exclusively as He is the only one true God. I do not worship Christ. Rather, I serve Christ. Jesus told the devil who we are to worship and I believe and trust what my master said at Matthew 4:10. He said to the devil:

“Away from me, Satan! For it is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.”

Unfortunately what men have named and call Christianity has not listened to the Master, Jesus Christ. They do not see the word “only.” They have led the world to worship an anomaly called a trinity; a concept that goes against what Christ taught. There is nothing “only” about the concept of the trinity. In fact, it plays into the very attempt to decieve Christ by Satan: To worship other gods.

If one views Christ as God, then they worship another God. The Father ceases to be the one we are to exclusively (only) worship. It also shows utter disrespect for the one God; the one who created The Son of God.

God the Father is my God. This is much more than a master. 

 

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