The Problem With Deuteronomy Chapter 7
R. Jerome Harris·

The Problem With Deuteronomy Chapter 7

The other day a co-worker asked me to read Deuteronomy Chapter 7 and provide him with my thoughts about it.

To bring you up to speed, Deuteronomy Chapter 7 has The Most High God – through Moses – warning ancient Israel not to engage in marriage alliances with the seven nations about them: The Hittites, Girgashites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites. These seven nations were larger and stronger than ancient Israel.

Further, ancient Israel was to totally destroy these nations, make no treaties with them and show them no mercy.

I must first state here that these seven nations – the Hittites, Girgashites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites – were all descendants of Ham, the progenitor of the Black or African race of people.

Secondly and supposedly, Deuteronomy Chapter 7 has the Most High God telling ancient Israel not to intermingle sexually with these nations of Black people? Deuteronomy Chapter 7 supposedly has God telling ancient Israel – one small and comparatively weak nation – to totally destroy seven nations larger and stronger than they and at the same time not engage in marriage alliances with them? If it was possible for ancient Israel to totally destroy these seven “larger and stronger” nations, there would be no one left within them to marry.

Thirdly, what was spoken by God through Moses, was for ancient Israel at that time. Even the Law Covenant with it’s more than 600 laws were given ONLY to ancient Israel, not to anyone else; not even Christs followers as there was no Christ at that time.

And Fourthly, this entire scenario is highly suspect and wreaks of racial overtones and paints a picture of a God who hates Black people. When the truth of the matter is that it is not God, but certain ones among mankind who do? Again, why the Hittites, Girgashites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites – descendants of Ham – and not the descendants of Japheth – the progenitor of the European race?

And lastly, that the Hittites, Girgashites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites are said to be “larger and stronger” than ancient Israel, shows that these nations where their first and ancient Israel invaded their land.

This is no different from the invasion of the European (Japheth) into what they named America. When they arrived, a people were already in the land. Did God authorize such an invasion? Did He intend for the native Indian to be conquered in such a way to be thrown onto reservations and have alcohol pumped into their lives? No! This is from men.

When Jesus [the] Christ was sent into the world of mankind, the Law Covenant and scenario described in Deuteronomy Chapter 7 would have been rendered null and void today. Jesus changed all of that. Listen to Jesus’ wording at Matthew 5:21:

You have heard that it was said to the people long ago …

I invite you to read the rest of what Jesus stated from Matthew 5:21-48.

The point here is that it is not what Deuteronomy says, or Moses, or any of the Prophets; it is what Jesus [the] Christ NOW says. Notice again Jesus’ wording at Matthew 5:22, Matthew 5:26, Matthew 5:28, Matthew 5:32, Matthew 5:34, Matthew 5:39, and Matthew 5:44:

But I tell you …

In other words, Jesus [the] Christ is saying, “I know what you were told in past times. However, NOW I am telling you this, listen to what I say.”

And, is this not what The Most High God commands us to do? Listen to His Son. (Luke 9:35)

So persons who insist on jumping back in time to bring forward things that do not apply to us today are making a grave mistake. They make even a worse mistake to teach such things as being applicable. Why? Because it makes the teachings of the Christ to no account. Jesus as stated:

But I tell you …

I am NOT saying that what is written at Deuteronomy Chapter 7 was not uttered by God through Moses. What I am saying is that those things were not spoken to us today. Moses was not sent to us, Jesus [the] Christ is. To whom do you listen?

Did the Most High God command us to listen to Moses or any of the other Prophets? No, He said to listen to His Son.

The major mistake the entire world of “Christianity” finds itself in is that it has been told that the Bible is The Word of God. They view it in its entirety as The Word of God. Therefore, ANYTHING they read out of it, they consider applying to them. They fail on two fronts:

  1. That Jesus [the] Christ is the ONLY Word of God. Not a book. And, The Most High God commands us to listen to him. (John 1:1, Revelation 19:13 and Luke 9:35)
     
  2. They make a book equal – and in some cases greater than – the one who is The Word of God. When this is the case, it is a book that is being “listened” to, not the “person” of Jesus [the] Christ. This can be easily put to the test simply my observing the conversations persons have about the Bible. Notice that they PRIMARY make statements like:
  • The Bible says …
  • I study the Bible …
  • I am a Bible student …
  • The Bible teaches …

The above are just a few examples, but I use them to show you that persons using them have implanted in their minds to view “The Bible” as The Word of God and it takes preference over the only Word of God, Jesus [the] Christ.

For example, a person might say, “The Bible says (or teaches) at John 14:6: “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.”

Well, such a statement “The Bible says or teaches” would be incorrect. The Bible does not say or teach this, Jesus does.

I hope you see what I am getting at here: What Jesus himself says is often times ascribed to “The Bible” saying it. 

Along the same vein, often times when God utters something, these persons do the same thing: They ascribe what God has stated in the Bible says “it says.” This is a subtle seemingly harmless thing, but a deceptive and dangerous thing. Why? Because the world at large is being indoctrinated and conditioned not to REALLY listen to the Christ. While the world is being told that if it reads the Bible it is listening to Christ. This is one of the biggest lies being told today. NEVER should anyone or anything be stood up next to The Most High God as He is only ONE God AND nor should anyone or anything be stood up next to Jesus [the] Christ who is The Son of God and The Word of God (bearer of Gods words).

Yet, in the world today, it is a book called The Bible that gets all of the press; and the world has been duped into believing that it – in its entirety – is ALSO The Word of God.

As far as I am concerned, if someone says to me, “The Bible says ‘Eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth’ I will say to them …

“First of all, The Bible does not say that God says this to ancient Israel through Moses as one of His many laws to them.”

I would go on to say to them, “Jesus, who is Gods Word, now tells us ‘Do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also.'”

I will listen to what my Master NOW says. This is a command by The Most High.

So hopefully those of you reading this article can see that the Bible is being used as an effective tool to indoctrinate the world NOT to listen to the one God told us to listen to. It is a mistake to even “think” of a book that men complied and gave their own name to – The Bible – as being holy and The Word of God. It is idolatrous and blasphemous to station a book in a holy place where it does not belong. Only Jesus [the] Christ can stand there.

The problem with Deuteronomy Chapter 7 is not what is written there, but the persons to attempt to use it as being something applicable to mankind today because it is something written in a book mankind calls “The Bible.”

Jesus [the] Christ did not say this, his Father in heaven did not tell him to say anything like this, and it goes completely against Christ’s teachings of love, mercy, and forgiveness.

That passage at Deuteronomy was not spoken to anyone today.

 

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R. Jerome Harris

No one of importance. A disciple (student) of Christ apart from the established religious systems who reasons, thinks and concludes matters for myself. Something is not right with the state of religion in the world. The real dichotomy is that we live in a world so full of religion, yet is an evil, immoral, and dangerous place to live. A mental and spiritual separation from this world that Jesus said his kingdom is no part of is the first step to a "break-through" to freedom and entry into a much larger spiritual world where God and Christ resides and the wisdom, knowledge, and understanding of God can be accessed.

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  1. I was born raised and currently living in Washington DC. Perhaps we can fellowship some day since your in the area. I agree on many of your points but disagree on others. I also dont ascribe to the Trinity doctrine, but I would not go as far to say Christ pre-existed in a spiritual or physical form, can you share what God or Christ said that makes you believe this? I also believe that denominational christianity is wrong. I agree with much of your articles but not all. For example, in the one you wrote about deuteronomy chapter 7, I disagree. You failed to address two critical sentences spoken by Yahushua (Jesus of Nazareth). Which are Matthew 5:17,18. When you were using “But” in your article it is out of context, blatantly disregarding the critically important Matthew 5:17.18. And Feel free to correct me if im wrong. You heard it was like this, BUT I’m going to give you a deeper spiritual meaning of what this is all about, is the whole content of what HE (Christ) spoke when using “BUT” and NOT how you have portrayed the “BUT” to mean in your “article”. Using the “BUT” was to demonstrate deeper edification of the deeper spiritual meaning of what was spoken in ancient times NOT as you say that He was basically completely changing somethings(This is why mat. 5:17,18 is so vital and can’t be disregarded). He’s teaching believers to understand the spiritual things of God. He is teaching true piety. Why? because HE understood true piety. The previous description and feel free to correct me if you believe I’m wrong sir, fits smooth into the context of the whole teaching on the mount. I dont know if it was an accident or manipulation on your part, I pray that it was not the latter. But you CANNOT use verses to your liking and out of context. You failed to address the critical Mat 5:17,18 when making your bold assertions. You have to properly divide the word of truth everywhere and all the time, NOT only when it DOESN’T fit one of the biases of your heart. “We’ll I believe this is wrong because it was unfair to black people in ancient times”. Is this the premise behind your doctrine and behind how you evaluated the content of Deuteronomy 7 and the context of “sermon on the mount”? Well if this is so let me help you, first, “The heart can be deceitfully wicked…”. And second if this is your premise your the one having racial biases because what Moses, a prophet of God, wrote was dealing with heathen NATIONS NOT races sir. As long as you or any other believer is stuck on that “racial” stumbling block that’s where you’ll stay. Whether it’s a conscious stumbling block (one your aware of) or one embedded deep in your hearts, I believe I have showed you. But correct me if I’m wrong but let the God that can pierce right through your soul into you heart be true and every man woman and child be a liar. Rewrite your article with the words spoken in those verses (mat 5:17,18) included without your article falling apart and i will be impressed. The question you need to ask yourself is, “why am I going out on a limb to say something is wrong with deuteronomy chapter 7?” Whatever you were doing, EVEN IF the previous statements/questions do not fit into what you were doing…the point is sir, that You twisted the words (verses) spoken in the teaching on the mount (or “sermon on the mount”). You used the right words, yes(out of context), but you didn’t explain the critical words (verses) spoken that clearly refute your argument, mainly matthew 5:17,18. This is bad scholarly work on your part to say the least. First try to explain mat 5:17,18 before you go pass it when they are vital words spoken by the King, the Son of God used prior to and in the same content that according to my observation, knowingly or unknowingly YOU twisted out of context in your bad, false, or at the very very almost imposible least provided an incomplete teaching (aka your article regarding due. 7). To teach that, for God to order Israel to destroy those heathen Nations (NOT black races I would add but heathen NATIONS whatever color they may be) seems racist not on Moses part or whomever you think wrote deuteronomy but on your part because your premise that is not found anywhere in the words of God is that God referred to races and strictly Nations which is false and actually completely opposite God refers to Nations always and not races, this is just a extra scriptural mindset brotha. Repent. and if I’m wrong again do tell and I apologize beforehand if this is the case. It’s NOT about race but NATIONS. Again, the worst part of your teaching is how you completely disregard matthew 5:17,18. For example lets take, “turn the other cheek”. On what side of the face does it say, “if someone slaps you”? The answer is the right cheek. Now, how can someone right handed slap you on the right cheek? picture a Right Handed person slapping you on the Right Cheek. AHA! It’s like we struck gold, it would have to be a back slap for a right handed person to slap you on the right cheek. This would be in regards to insults. He was teaching what we may hear now a days to be the bigger man. This goes with the soldier who ask you to carry his thing one mile to offer to carry them two and someone sues you for you shirt offer them your coat. I do agree with much of your messages/teachings but you really swallowed the camel and strained the gnat on this one Matthew 5: 17Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in NO wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

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    1. You asked the question concerning The Son of God “pre-existing” before being sent into the world: “What would make me believe this? Good and fair question

      First, I did not say The Son of God existed in a “physical” form. Before being sent by God into the world of mankind (through the woman Mary), he (Son of God) existed in heaven. This should be apparent. It is not what I say, Christ himself says this.

      At John 1:1, who was “with” God in the “beginning?” The Word. Who is that Word: The Son of God, the one known by many as Jesus [the] Christ.

      If he was “with” God in the beginning, he was in heaven. Flesh and blood is not the stuff of heaven. Everyone who lives in heaven (God and His Angels) are not flesh and bllod creatures, they are invisible as God is. (Col 1:15)

      At John 6:38 Jesus says:

      “For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me.”

      At John 8:23 Jesus says:

      “But he continued, “You are from below; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world.

      At John 8:58, Jesus says before Abraham was born, he existed:

      “Very truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!”

      And at John 17:5 Jesus shows again that he had a pre-human existence:

      “And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began.”

      You keep mentioning what I “failed” to do when addressing Deuteronomy. When people do this “failed” thing is done usually to sway one to an established belief system. So, I do not engage in what others chose to call “failed to do.” What one person views as a “fail” is actually “not” a fail.

      Additionally, I do not view the Bible as “The Word of God.” So it – as a book – carries no weight with me. I refuse to ascribe to a book a title God has given to His Son. Since I do not regard any of the religious systems called by men – Christianity – I do not listen to them with regard what is taught out of them. My regard is with what Christ teaches.

      The Most High God did not send Moses or the other Prophets to us, He sent his Son and He tells us to listen to him. (Luke 9:35)

      So as far as I am concerned, looking at what Moses or the other Prophets said is listening to “them” rather than listening to the one our Creator told us to listen to.

      The GREAT deception that has occurred since the 4th Century is that people have been misled into believing that the Bible is to be consulted. They believe it is the Word of God. So it is very easy for them to turn to Deuteronomy or the other books of the Prophets and consult or “listen” to the things written there. This, I believe is a grave mistake, because of what God says at Luke 9:35.

      It makes to sense for me to defend what is written in Deuteronomy or any other book of the Prophets. I rather uphold and defend what Christ teaches. My preference is not to listen to the Bible, but to listen to the one who is The Word of God as God commanded us to.

      I do not seek validation from any human. It is a non-issue to me. I do not seek to be agreed with. It, too, is a non-issue. I am not looking for acceptance. I do one thing: to make disciples to Christ. Not disciples to the teachings of the more than 41000 contending so-called Christian denominations. Persons must approach Christ on their own and listen to him. I cannot make them do it. This is who I am and who I chose to be. Bulk religion pulls at everyone and they contend with each other to get persons to believe as “they” want them to. Not me. I sit before one person: Christ. My Master and Teacher. I refuse to respond to the voice of these strangers (false Christ teachings). (John 10:3-6)

      I also expose what Christ has not taught but what is popular but false in the world. Such as The Bible being the Word of God and that we are supposed to listen to “it.” No one told the European man to create, give a name to, make holy, authorize and call a book The Word of God or even Scripture. This is something people rarely think about. God said: Listen to His Son.

      I am sorry, there is no fellowship unless it is strictly a setting before Christ and listening to what he taught. I am not a student or disciple of the Bible, I am student and disciple of Christ. For me, it is NOT what the Bible says, it is what Christ says.

      Sorry – and I say this respectfully – I refuse to go down the road you are on. I hear a different voice and Shepherd. He is the one mentioned at John 10:3-6.

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  2. I was born raised and currently living in Washington DC. Perhaps we can fellowship some day since your in the area. I agree on many of your points but disagree on others. I also dont ascribe to the Trinity doctrine, but I would not go as far to say Christ pre-existed in a spiritual or physical form, can you share what God or Christ said that makes you believe this? I also believe that denominational christianity is wrong. I agree with much of your articles but not all of them. For example, in the one you wrote about deuteronomy chapter 7, I disagree. You failed to address two critical sentences spoken by Yahushua (Jesus of Nazareth). Which are Matthew 5:17,18. When you were using “But” in your article it is out of context, blatantly disregarding the critically important Matthew 5:17.18. And Feel free to correct me if im wrong. You heard it was like this, BUT I’m going to give you a deeper spiritual meaning of what this is all about, is the whole content of what HE (Christ) spoke when using “BUT” and NOT how you have portrayed the “BUT” to mean in your “article”. Using the “BUT” was to demonstrate deeper edification of the deeper spiritual meaning of what was spoken in ancient times NOT as you say that He was basically completely changing somethings(This is why mat. 5:17,18 is so vital and can’t be disregarded). He’s teaching believers to understand the spiritual things of God. He is teaching true piety. Why? because HE understood true piety. The previous description and feel free to correct me if you believe I’m wrong sir, fits smooth into the context of the whole teaching on the mount. I dont know if it was an accident or manipulation on your part, I pray that it was not the latter. But you CANNOT use verses to your liking and out of context. You failed to address the critical Mat 5:17,18 when making your bold assertions. You have to properly divide the word of truth everywhere and all the time, NOT only when it DOESN’T fit one of the biases of your heart. “We’ll I believe this is wrong because it was unfair to black people in ancient times”. Is this the premise behind your doctrine and behind how you evaluated the content of Deuteronomy 7 and the context of “sermon on the mount”? Well if this is so let me help you, first, “The heart can be deceitfully wicked…”. And second, if this is your premise your the one having racial biases because what Moses, a prophet of God, wrote was dealing with heathen NATIONS NOT the black races sir. As long as you or any other believer is stuck on that “racial” stumbling block that’s where you’ll stay. Whether it’s a conscious stumbling block (one your aware of) or one embedded deep in your hearts, I believe I have showed you. But correct me if I’m wrong but let the God that can pierce right through your soul into you heart be true and every man woman and child be a liar. Rewrite your article with the words spoken in those verses (mat 5:17,18) included, without your article falling apart, and i will be impressed. The question you need to ask yourself is, “why am I going out on a limb to say something is wrong with deuteronomy chapter 7 or elsewhere in the bible?” Is it that truly you can find an error or is it because you just don’t agree? Whatever you were doing, EVEN IF the previous statements/questions do not fit into what you were doing…the point is sir, that You twisted the words (verses) spoken in the teaching on the mount (or “sermon on the mount”). You used the right words, yes(out of context), but you didn’t explain or even attempt to explain the critical words (verses) spoken that clearly refute your argument, mainly matthew 5:17,18. This is bad scholarly work on your part to say the least. First try to explain mat 5:17,18 before you speed pass it when they are vital words spoken by the King, the Son of God used prior to and in the same content. According to my observation, knowingly or unknowingly YOU twisted the Son of God’s words out of context. Your teaching in this article is at least one of four of the following: bad, false, ignorant, or at the very very, almost imposible, least incomplete. To teach that, for God to order Israel to destroy those heathen Nations (which were never referred to as black races, I would add, but NATIONS) seems racist not on Moses part or whomever you believe wrote deuteronomy but the racist position is coming solely from your behalf. Because your premise that is not found anywhere in the words of God…is that God addressed races and not Nations; which is falsely inaccurate and actually completely the opposite in reality. God refers to those people as their Nation which is ascribed to them through their family trees ALWAYS and not the particular race they are. Your view is extra scriptural brotha based on the color of skin not family or nation. Is that why “it has never been about the bible to you” or as Christ put it “The Law and The Prophets”? Repent. and if I’m wrong, again, do tell me how and why and I apologize beforehand if this is the case and will “after”hand. It’s NOT about race but NATIONS. Again, the worst part of your teaching is how you completely disregard matthew 5:17,18. For example lets take, “turn the other cheek”. On what side of the face does it say, “if someone slaps you”? The answer is the right cheek. Now, how can someone right handed slap you on the right cheek? picture a Right Handed person slapping you on the Right Cheek. AHA! It’s like we struck gold, it would have to be a back slap for a right handed person to slap you on the right cheek. This would be in regards to insults. He was teaching what we may refer to now a days of “being the bigger man”. This goes with the soldier who ask you to carry his thing one mile to offer to carry them two and someone sues you for you shirt offer them your coat. I do agree with much of your messages/teachings but you really swallowed the camel and strained the gnat on this one. Matthew 5: 17Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in NO wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

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  3. one thing I can tell you sir, is that The Christ, the son of the living God didn’t base his teachings on the black race or any other race at that matter. Its hard to reason with someone who doesn’t want to reason. You didn’t address matthew 5:17,18. God can see right through hardened hearts anyway. Let God be true and everyman a liar. “Not everyone who co……….”

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    1. Do you think I believe he did? To the contrary? His teachings are not based upon ANY of mankind. They come from above. I write ALSO to show that all of the false images we see of Adam, Eve, Angels, Jesus, Noah, Moses, The Prophets etc are of White people. This is to show ALSO that Christs teachings are not based on the “White race” either. You did not mention that in your response. Why? What is this uncanny thing people have when they want YOU – in this case, ME – to address Scriptures THEY give me as if I am avoiding them? Yet, the questioners rarely address anything I write. Such questionings have evil intent so as to entrap someone; to “prove” someone right or wrong. That to me is Jesus had to deal with the same thing.

      While I am not “obligated” to address anything to any human, I will entertain your request at Matthew 5:17-18 where Jesus (not the Bible) is speaking.

      When Jesus arrived on the scene, what was in place before him? The Jewish mighty religious system and its leaders and teachers of the Law who held tight control over the people and held them to the tradition of “The Law.” While they themselves would not keep it. It was this same religious system that Christ called his 12 apostles out of.

      With Jesus’ arrival and new teachings – that were in opposition to the Law – would make the statement at Matthew 5:17-18 to tell the people that his arrival was not to destroy (end) the Law or the Prophets (in what they taught about it), but to fulfill the Law so that they – those who would become his disciples – would not have to keep it.

      So essentially, Jesus fulfilled the Law in behalf of those Jews who would become his disciples putting an END to them having to keep it. That is why Jesus could say at John 8:31-32 (notice who Jesus is addressing):

      “To the Jews who had believed him, Jesus said, “If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples. Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”

      Jesus is addressing the Jews to which the Law was given. He is telling THEM that if they hold to what he teaches, they now become “his” disciples. Then and only then will they know the truth and the truth will set them free. Set them free from what? From having to keep the Law.

      How do I know that the Law is no longer applicable? Because a Jew and Apostle – The Apostle Paul – says at Romans 10:4 says:

      “For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.” (What do you say about this?)

      The Apostle Paul goes on to say at Romans 7:6:

      “But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.”

      Who did Christ “release” or “set free” from the Law? The Jews who became his disciples!

      The Apostle Paul says at Ephesians 2:15 that Christ “abolished” the Law for the Jews having to keep it.

      “Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;”

      Paul also shows at at Col 2:14 the “abolishing” or the ending of having to keep it by the Jews:

      “Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;”

      Lastly, the Apostle Paul said that the Jews who would become Christs disciples, where no longer under the Law. That is, no longer required to keep it. The Law “was” the Jews guardian UNTIL CHRIST CAME TO FULFILL IT. Christ fulfilled the Law in their behalf and canceled the requirement of having to keep it. This is stated at Gal 3:24-25:

      “So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith. Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian.”

      That the Law was not given in the first place to “Gentiles,” no non-Jew who would be a follower of Christ was NEVER under the Law in the first place.

      No one claiming to be a follower of Christ should be teaching the “keeping of the Law.”

      To do so teaches that Christs death was for nothing. He is the “new way.”

      Christs disciples – whether they be Jew or non-Jew – are not under the old Law that Christ already fulfilled and “ended” the keeping of. Since Jesus is the NEW WAY, he gave a NEW COMMANDMENT that I am sure you know. It is stated at John 13:34-35:

      “A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.”

      That is it. This is the ONE commandment Christ gives his disciples. Not Ten Commandments and the other 600+ Laws given to ancient Israel.

      You must understand that I cannot just go along with the “flow” and what is “popular” and what the religious systems teach. I will put what they say to the test. (1 John 4:1)

      My obligation, following, and obedience MUST to be Christ. Not to men, their religious organizations and teachings. This is something I am unmovable on.

      Additionally, even with what I wrote, people STILL refuse to look at it. It is for that reason I do not waste my time getting drawn into giving everyone who ask – like you did – to “address” particular Scriptures they have. Especially, when they are not addressing the Scriptures that I use.

      If The Apostle Paul says, “We are no longer under The Law or that Christ abolished the Law” persons who refuse to accept what he said will try to find other Scriptures to prove that one MUST still keep the Law.” It is a game they play. As far as I am concerned one either accepts what Christ taught or they do not. They should never try to find ways to make Christ appear as if what he taught is contradictory. It is men who contradict themselves.

      So Matthew 5:17-18 is Jesus telling the Jews in his day (as that is who God sent him to) that he did not come to destroy God’s Law to them, but to fulfill it FOR THEM so that they do not have to. Thus, any Jew back then who was in that religious system and who would come out of it and become his disciple, would be released or set free from having to keep the Law.

      Besides, no human could keep the whole Law, which they were required to do. Not keep faithfully keeping it meant death. Only a “perfect” man could keep a “perfect” law. That man was Jesus. Thanks to Jesus, the Jews who became his disciples were “saved” from perishing for all eternity. Jesus saved their lives because whether the lived or died was no longer based on the Law, but on the grace of God “through” His “new way” and Son, Christ Jesus.

      I advise that you really dig into this and set the “personal” stuff aside. If not, I will not waste my time responding with you. (I am not your enemy) There are other people I engage with who are very interested in this thinking and “see” what I am talking about.

      I am not here to impress you or anyone else. I am not looking to impress anyone. Neither am I asking permission from anyone about what I write and how I write it. I will continue to write as I do. This is MY BLOG. You are welcome to visit e-Prophetic, it is up to you. You do not have to like what I write or how I write. It will not stop me from writing what I believe is this truth – as you believe what you believe. Any post you make, I will approve it. Why? Because I want people to conclude for “THEMSELVES” and not have people (especially those who call themselves Christians) get angry with them or attack them “personally” because they do not believe as “they” do. Many who call themselves Christians really reveal their true colors when they attack others on a personal level and actually get angry at others because they disagree with them. Jesus never went on the attack. He took abuse, he never issued it.

      It is funny, you sound like me 20 years ago. 🙂 Peace.

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      1. Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil . 18 For verily I say unto you, till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

        Good job at trying to explain your theology/doctrine but you only attempted to explain Matthew 5:17 when I asked about Matthew 5:17&18 sir. When people learn one truth about Jesus or the word of God all of a sudden they think they have all the answers. The church needs patient teachers and patient students.

        My problem with your approach in your article is that you approached it in a worldly fashion, then you go around saying “only the words of Jesus and God are inspired.” Jesus never talked about race so why would you start your article talking about the races mentioned in Deuteronomy 7? Your article is inappropriate because it begins with discussing race and the scriptures never do so. So, your article should have never began with this point of view. You also have to address scriptures in context.

        Back to Matthew 5:17&18, you can believe whatever you want sir, the problem is that YOU believe your doctrine/teaching to be true but YOU can’t even explain it PROPERLY using the scriptures. Now your approach to everything we’ve been talking about is using scriptures out of context and extra biblical ideologies (not based on scriptures). Then, topping it off with a “believe what I say or i don’t care because I’m right and your wrong” attitude. We live in a wicked world in which the truth is sometimes hard to find. I know it’s hard to breathe out here sometimes but you have to remain faithful and patient. You, sir, need to carefully read my last comment over. Furthermore, before you move to Paul and what he said concerning the commandments and your understanding of what he said, finish explaining Matthew 5:17&18, Christ’s words. You went all over the place and you only ATTEMPTED to explain Mat. 5:17 and your explanation sounded right but you didn’t even touch Mat 5:18. Has heaven and earth passed? This is why I asked you to explain Matthew 5:17&18.

        You’re funny, you do what everyone else does then you tell me that’s what I do. I came by myself in the name of Jesus to the Glory of God stop trying to attach me to some denominational group, Aiight? You went all the way pass the Gospels to the church epistles of Paul but let’s first try to understand what Christ said.

        In your explanation of the words spoken by Christ, you didn’t even touch on Matthew 5:18. The scholarship of your explanation is something you get from a Sunday school, it “SOUNDS good,” but as far as explaining those words spoken by the King (Jesus), you fell short. Anyway, I’ll go one verse from where I ended at Matthew 5:18 to show you that your explanation and everything you basically said in your last comment holds no water.

        Matthew 5:19, “Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.”

        Again this basically disproves everything you have written in your responses. I challenge every one who reads scripture to look at these verses carefully, this includes yourself. This is still in the context of verses 17 and 18. You need to seriously take your time, read and study these verses very carefully with an objective point of view.

        And you don’t have to post this comment, it’s for you sir but if you do go ahead. Either way it doesn’t bother me the least bit.

        It’s a good thing to want to stand firmly for the truth, just make sure you don’t reject truth either (i.e. humility) and this way I can be proud to be like you 20 years from now.

        Lastly, I wanted to get back to the origin of this discussion, your article… which I believe shows that you need to evaluate yourself as a “disciple.” This discussion began when you allowed a racial bias, which is not scriptural, to guide your interpretation of Deuteronomy 7 and, it seems, the rest of the bible. Did you not know that we are all descendants of Noah? Did you not know that we all descended from one man, Adam? I want to stress no matter how subtly you tried to introduce the “race” issue into your article and theology, it is still wrong and more importantly, not biblical. Scriptures never address races but always NATIONS and NATIONS are defined by the FAMILY tree. Before we go deeper in discussing other topics within the scriptures such as what I briefly went over earlier concerning Matthew 5:17&18, I believe you should admit that putting a racial spin on the scriptures is wrong. This is what groups such as the KKK and the Black Hebrew Israelite cult do. If you don’t step up to the plate and put these racial ideologies aside, I’m afraid there’s no reason to reason with someone who holds contempt for another race. This point of view is how you began your article. This point of view is how you reject some scriptures as being infallible. Correct? You shouldn’t let racist preconceptions guide your understanding of God and God’s ways.

        This is not to say that I don’t agree with some things here and there in your other articles; however what I’m saying is that if you’re going to judge scriptures based on race, it demonstrates that you are willing to hypocritically manipulate scriptures at YOUR will. God was never being racist. Deuteronomy 7 remains scripture as well as the rest of the Tanakh. Now, since the scriptures have never been able to be proven nothing other than infallible, you have an erroneous, unscriptural, heretical position to declare otherwise. “Let God be true and every man a liar.” Tell your co-worker and the rest of the people on this blog what you should have told them in the beginning, “I don’t understand Deuteronomy 7 but I’ll pray to God, in the name of Jesus, for greater understanding.”

        Again, to stress that Deuteronomy 7 is false solely because God instructed Israel to destroy HEATHEN nations and you have sympathy for them over God’s word, there is OBVIOUSLY a problem. WHY ARE YOU ON RACE IF THE SCRIPTURES DO NOT TALK ABOUT RACE ANYWHERE? Furthermore, before you start teaching, preaching, etc. you need to get this racist ideology out of your system. I pray that you humble yourself so that you can teach the truth in REVERENCE and LOVE for God, Christ, and your fellowman.

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        1. Respectfully, the problem with my approach is yours, not mine. I lose no sleep worrying about things like that. Somewhat arrogant don’t you think? That is like saying you would have a problem with me being a Democrat. (LOL) I am not seeking agreement or approval from you or anyone else. Why would I want YOU to be proud of me? I seek approval not from men. You do not see that as arrogant? I don’t even know you. (LOL) I believe what I write. What is this expression “worldly?” It is nothing but a made-up expression by religious organization to divide people. Something Christ never did. Christ purchased ALL of mankind and religious organization – like wolves – seeks to scatter mankind into themselves teaching Christ divided.

          You also do what the religious system teaches you to do: Rather than focus on the discussion, you cannot help yourselves, you transition over into attacking the person. This is a tell-tale sign that you are agitated and uncertain and unconcerned. Oh, yes, you DO CARE. (LOL)

          I read your post and you are only here to maintain a particular religious organization teachings and rather than teach Christ primarily focus on “disproving” things. YOU quote Matthew 5:19 and then say it disproves EVERYTHING I wrote. Let’s see and I will stay in context with Matthew 5:17-19 (But you should read ALL of Matthew 5:17-48)

          True, Jesus did say: “Do not think I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I came, not to destroy, but to fulfill.” (Matthew 5:17)

          But what does the expression “to fulfill” mean? To illustrate: A builder fulfills a contract to complete a building, not by ripping up the contract, but by finishing the structure. However, once the work has been completed to the client’s satisfaction, the contract is fulfilled and the builder is no longer under obligation to it. Likewise, Jesus did not break, or rip up, the Law; rather, he fulfilled it by keeping it perfectly. Once fulfilled, that Law “contract” was no longer binding on God’s people.

          At Matthew 5:18-19 Jesus is showing his high regard for the Law. (Remember Jesus was born an Israelite and he was speaking with fellow Israelites). In fact, he says: “Whoever, therefore, breaks one of these least commandments and teaches mankind to that effect, he will be called ‘least’ in relation to the kingdom of the heavens,” meaning that such a person would not get into the Kingdom at all.

          Far from disregarding God’s Law, Jesus condemns even the “attitudes” that contribute to a person’s breaking it. After noting that the Law says, “You must not murder,” Jesus adds: “However, I say to you that everyone who continues wrathful with his brother will be accountable to the court of justice.”

          You are not putting this is perspective. The Jews to which Jesus was speaking to were NOT yet his followers, therefore, THEY (The Jews) were “LEGALLY” subject and OBLIGATED to follow the letter of the Law that was given to them as a people. Yet, once they would become HIS disciples, THEY were no longer subject to that law. Listen to what Col 2:13-14 says:

          “You were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins, having canceled the charge of our legal indebtedness, which stood against us and condemned us; he has taken it away, nailing it to the cross.”

          Jesus wasn’t talking to Christians as there were no Christians to be talked to. He was speaking to his own countrymen: Jews. (John 8:31-32)

          You are applying a Law given to Jews to persons who would become Christs disciples. You place the cart before the horse. You cannot apply a debt to someone else? The Jews where indebted to the Law. You fail to consider the other Scriptures I raised such as Romans 6:15, Romans 7:6-7, Romans 10:4, Eph 2:15 and Col 2:14-15. I can see why because these “in your face” Scriptures show that no follower of Christ is under and “old” law an no Jew becoming a follower of his is under that old Law.

          You fail to consider the NEW LAW Jesus gave us at John 13:34-35.

          You have avoided the obvious and yet you arrogate yourself to say you have “disproven” something. If disproving is your goal, then consider ALL of the Scriptures I just mentioned and tie them in with your reasoning. You cannot.

          You think Jesus was talking to “Christians” or to EVERYBODY. The EVERYBODY are the persons to which he was speaking to at that time: Jews. His ministry had not yet spread to the non-Jew people. When you read John 8:31-32 he tells you who it was to who he was speaking.

          You had better come much stronger than that. That you have disregarded the OBVIOUS scriptures raises a red flag. It tells me it is not the truth you seek, but the maintenance of a popular “religious” organization that you believe is the truth. I believe Jesus is the truth and I listen to him. You speak opposite of what he teaches. The Law is NOT binding on his disciples. He says that he gives a NEW commandment and YOU say we are bound to the OLD commandment. Christ fullfilled it. He ENDED it. It would be unwise to listen to you and not listen to what my Master says. Why would ANYONE claiming to believe in Christ, teach something different.

          “For Christ is the end of the Law, so that everyone exercising faith may have righteousness.” (Romans 10:4)

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          YOU should NOT be asking ME about race. YOU correctly state that Scripture does not. So WHY are images of Adam, Eve, Jesus, Angels and the many Bible characters we read about portrayed as White people in religious literature, art, film and media? This is a question YOU should be asking someone else? Why are THEY doing it.

          So you should be asking those persons, those religious systems and organizations, “If Scripture does not go into race, why are THEY portraying Adam, Eve, Jesus, Angels and the many Bible characters in the likeness of someone of European descent?

          That you had to ask me this question shows your narrow-scope and small circle of understanding.

          In your mind it is “How dare I raise the question about race” but is OK for the White persons in past times who arrogated themselves to make Adam, Eve, Jesus, Angels and the others spoken of in Scripture in the likeness of persons of European descent. Yet, you ask me? Are you kidding? I am questioning WHY THEY did it. And, for the reason that you stated, God is impartial and race has nothing to do with it. So why are we seing images of persons no one today has ever seen and they are White people? They should not be in the image of any race of man.

          I wonder about you. Do you think Adam, Eve, Jesus, Angels, etc are White people? Why would YOU be OK with this?

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          1. You keep associating me with some type of religious group, if you insist on associating me with a religious group associate me with the 1st century “Christians”, the followers of Jesus of Nazareth; if your going to associate me with following the teachings of someone particularly associate me with following the teachings of Christ, The Messiah, The Son of the Living God; and If your going to accuse me of following some “religious teachings”, justly accuse me with following His.

            Your still not properly interpreting scripture. One of your problems is (I assume) your using the NIV to do your biblical studies. The NIV is not a good word for word translation and therefore it is not the best translation of scripture to build doctrine. The NIV is a semi dynamic translation NOT word for word. You need to use a Bible that’s a closer word for word translation and a concordance would help (you obviously have access to the internet, you can find these valuable tools on here absolutely free!). Have you even looked at the Thayer’s definition regarding the word “fulfilled” used in Matthew 5:17 for example? Here it is (read closely):
            universally and absolutely, to fulfil, i. e. “to cause God’s will (as made known in the law) to be obeyed as it should be, and God’s promises (given through the prophets) to receive fulfilment”: Matthew 5:17
            Can you see that this definition of the greek word read as “fulfilled” in Matthew 5:17 fits much better in context within the verse? Have you even personally examined this rendering used for the word “fulfilled” in Matthew 5:17? Furthermore, wouldn’t you admit that this rendering fits much better in the words spoken by Jesus when taking the context of Mat 5:18,19 into consideration as well? Did you even “check out” any concordance to see the meaning of fulfilled in Matthew 5:17 before you came to your conclusion? Aside from the Church epistles are you now willing to admit that Matthew 5:17 has nothing to do with the commandments of God being “done away with”? If so, are you prepared to affirm that Heaven and Earth have passed? If, so please let me know because I haven’t noticed the passing.

            As far as the more important issue I have with you sir in particular and the initial reason of this dialogue is that your position concerning scriptural reliability is based on hatred and not the love of God and Jesus.
            As a “disciple” you should highly revere(or fear) God. A “disciple” would never write that Deuteronomy has the Most High “supposedly saying” anything sir (as you did in the beginning of this article!). First of all you have absolutely no proof to make such an erroneous statement. All you have is your racist ignited agenda to promote your falsehood and attacking the validity of scriptures is the tragic result of such a position. You don’t conquer hatred with the same hatred. Jesus says to “pray for those who persecute you”. First, let go of the resentment or whatever it may be and then combat hatred and racism that you may find in the world and in the church with the truth and with love.

            Remember Jesus said two important things that will be helpful for you to keep in your mind and heart:
            1.”But I say unto you, That you resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite you on your right cheek, turn to him the other also.”
            and 2. “You shall know the truth shall set you free”.
            This “tick for tack” attitude that you have for certain racist people ,which I can agree with you that they are wrong for their views, but the attitude you have is no different and reeks through the screen of my computer after reading your article, you are equally wrong as they are in your views. Your approach of dealing with their falsehoods is NOT from the TRUTH but is from an ungodly place in your heart based on your own hatred, resentment, and/or deceit. Don’t be engulfed with the same racism in your heart as the racist views of the ones your trying to rebuke. I know for a fact that racism is an evil undertone that is making people worst day by day and generation after generation. As a “disciple” you should stand against it not throw wood into the fire. No matter how much knowledge you have, this is unacceptable and will result in spiritual death. Your still stuck on the race card get off of it MAN!

            Jesus was a Jew. He was from the tribe of Judah. Now as far as his skin tone, personally I dont know (you don’t either). I can take an educated guess, but I’m afraid it is irrelevant and would only push you in your race geared agenda. Again when you ask me what race was he, I would say your question is irrelevant and I would add silly, because he was not a race but a nationality. His nationality was Israelite or from the seeds Jacob (to be particular of the tribe of Judah and even more particular from the House of David). Jesus was not an African American, not an African, not a Caucasian, etc. because these terms are NOT biblical therefore yet again irrelevant. Jesus was a Jew.

            Your rendition of Deuteronomy chapter 7 is based on a completely false premise. Scripture has proven to be nothing but infallible your false premise is illegitimate and any true student of scripture and child of God would agree that your position in childish as well as foolish. You CAN’T base a biblical interpretation in anyway on your feelings of hatred of people who had feelings of hatred towards your race or who played the race card. Jesus tells us to let our light shine before men. “But if your eye be evil, your whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in you be darkness, how great is that darkness!”(Matthew 6:23). This is also from the sermon of the mouth. Change your perception completely regarding racism and/or your method of combatting racism first because your perception will be evil and your whole being evil. Now you seem to portray some light but if that light, but now “if that light that is in you be darkness, how great is that darkness!” I would suggest to you that you retract this article and repent.

          2. As I have stated many times, when people have no answer, they drag a Red Herring and get off course and topic BEGIN to attack the “person” and make them the issue. Makes one wonder where this attitude comes from: God and Christ?

            It is for that reason, I know that such persons are not of God and Christ nor are they for them. The effect and impact of Christs teachings would prevent them from engaging in such conduct because THEY are being put to the test and do not like what they read. (1 John 4:1) It is obvious here that Christs teachings have only impacted the surface and have not gone any deeper.

            Other readers of the articles on this blog will be the judge, not you my friend. By seeking to prejudice others by placing a foul stench upon me is a clever technique many of you use to label those who disagree with you as somehow evil, crazy, false, rebellious, etc. YOU seek “agreement” and “acceptance” without challenge or question. Those who “disagree” and do not “accept” what you say, you will have a problem with them. Who or what taught YOU that?

            It is my hope that “thinking” persons do not fall for such immature and deceptive tactics and put into practice the words found at 1 John 4:1:

            Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.

            YOU – someone I do not even know – want me to repent. Repent of what? Not agreeing with you. This is the presumptuousness, self-righteousness and arrogance I write about on this blog that many within the system of religion called by men, Christianity display. You define the rules and requirements (making it appear if they are from God) and you expect people to fall inline because it is what YOU want. This is not from God and His Christ, it is all from men who seek to enslave and control other and keep them infants.

            It is obvious you are agitated at what I write. Demons became agitated at the truth as well.

            Yet, I will never retract ANYTHING I write because a PERSON wishes it. Such a statement only confirms that I am on course with what I write.

            It is not YOU or any human who will cause what I write to “go away.” It will be God. Consider Acts 5:34-39:

            “But a Pharisee named Gamaliel, a teacher of the law, who was honored by all the people, stood up in the Sanhedrin and ordered that the men be put outside for a little while. Then he addressed the Sanhedrin: “Men of Israel, consider carefully what you intend to do to these men. Some time ago Theudas appeared, claiming to be somebody, and about four hundred men rallied to him. He was killed, all his followers were dispersed, and it all came to nothing. After him, Judas the Galilean appeared in the days of the census and led a band of people in revolt. He too was killed, and all his followers were scattered. Therefore, in the present case I advise you: Leave these men alone! Let them go! For if their purpose or activity is of human origin, it will fail. But if it is from God, you will not be able to stop these men; you will only find yourselves fighting against God.”

            I will NEVER prevent another person from stating what they believe. That is not my place and I am not that arrogant. If what they say is not from God, it will fail. But if it is from God, there is nothing I can do about it. Yet, YOU – a human – want me to retract?

            If what I write is not from God, it will fail. And, I would humbly accept that and humbly accept “God’s” correction. But if what I write is in line with what His Son speaks and teaches (Word of God), then it will prove true and not fail.

            You are NOT God and should never tell someone to retract something because you do not like it. God will cause it to fail. I see many failures within the religious system of Christianity – to include the IBS and Watch Tower.

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